Received: from mail-ve0-f185.google.com ([209.85.128.185]:61416) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WdO4T-0008Uc-FM for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:08:38 -0700 Received: by mail-ve0-f185.google.com with SMTP id jw12sf561502veb.12 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5hWrcQyxh0dR72He9LsGuMoV97/0P3cjRwHGEaX58V4=; b=E3gIlfDVaYEcTHB/53veGeQ2yhaqLnYVLA2ii85Dg6D7N+JS9PEylQvRIy3crblNta YfVM9IB3GpM5+P8IeeaWiXtJ78PtvAy6GifkocIN4OIr5XwTUam97fNGuREQAqlZClCj SskM+FZDvUpMqkZcUZbhgFPwLzGitSXMLh41sEvUcsCkwbs8rhuXfoTWqOKFCCAEGFKV 4xoKOIjVdWdboNt7CFRuSH8tkfR9S+ljpq+sIcCORlF5AGye+NCG7NbMvDH0H3SJR4cA KqS69b9Qs4Cke27mgbsXvkNYJr2Fl020Edysv5bsuB+0QoSz2noUTyzR3iQAMLTfUvqZ KecQ== X-Received: by 10.140.26.238 with SMTP id 101mr46489qgv.31.1398362903017; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.22.208 with SMTP id 74ls1224360qgn.18.gmail; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.137.50 with SMTP id x38mr1842913yhi.9.1398362902562; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ga1si1919655qcb.0.2014.04.24.11.08.22 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.231; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:54582] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 9C/B2-10911-61359535; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:08:22 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD96358F5 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 14:08:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] naming language families Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 14:08:18 -0400 Message-ID: <5146477.MOZ7Shljrj@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-60-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Some language families can be named with lujvo, such as xinjoiro'o, or mejyjoipolno which is (the major) part of nanplu. Others, like Algic, are not so easy. We could say "bangrsuomiugre" for "is a Finno-Ugric language" (Finnic peoples use their own name for Finnish when naming their family), but we may want to use the place structure "x1 is in aspect x2", such as "lo me la .lapitas. patxu cu mejyjoipolno", and I'm not sure how to say that for "*suomiugre". (I don't know either what is to Finno-Ugric as Lapita pots are to Malayo-Polynesian.) Any ideas? Of course a word like "xinjoiro'o" doesn't need to be restricted to a linguistic group. da fi'orjoizdo bangu .iji'a de fi'orjoizdo smani Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.