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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <5f4a7e31-a0fd-40b6-b59a-39e4e79f3aba@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <0CF6A7BB14AF45A391D95F07F1D9125C@gmail.com> References: <2368f1c8-1a70-4dfc-b657-a17ec590ba02@googlegroups.com> <85b3adb5-9bb1-4412-a14e-50755151b785@googlegroups.com> <0CF6A7BB14AF45A391D95F07F1D9125C@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Imperative mi'o? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kosmikconundrum@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_333_29436315.1398424032910" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_333_29436315.1398424032910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I dont think 2) is correct at all. It states that I go, no command towards > me is present. > > .ieru'e je'a gendra gi'u smudra > .u'esai xaugensku Most of my understanding of Lojban is an exercise in the execution of book knowledge. My activity here over the past few days comprises my only experience thus far of Lojban "in the wild" where people actually use it to express themselves. I find it surprising at times. Especially in cases like the above phrase, which would be a mouthful bau la gleki. > 3) Use the experimental {ko'oi} such that {zo ko du lu do ko'oi li'u} > 4) Assign {ko} as though it were an assignable sumka'i using {goi} > > mi ckire fo lo rodo sidju > > na gendra. To nitpick, you wanted {fi}, and I think you dropped a {nu}. > .u'i .i mi ckire do lo mu'e do drani fi lo mi cusku Please, nitpick away. That's half my reason I came out of my lojbanic ivory tower. Learning is all about trial and error. Which means to learn, I must try, and I must err. If I don't see my error, then my trying will have been wasted. So again, thanks! > > I tend to prefer #1. I don't recall reading that {ko} works as an > assignable sumka'i, so I hesitate to use 4). > > Searching at alexburka.com/~danr I find 5 uses of {ko goi}, all on IRC, > but 2 of them are nonsense and the other 3 are queries to the parser-bot. > There are 4 results for {goi ko}, all of which are real sentences, for > example {lo gerku goi ko bajra}. So, the usage parses, and was said at > least once on the Internet, but yes it's a strange and rare production. > Probably {doi gerku ko bajra} is more readily understood (and shorter!). > > I'm still learning the language, and I'm teaching my wife and 4 and 7 > year-old sons, > > .ue .iosai > > so as a personal preference I'm avoiding the use of experimental valsi > until we all have a better command of the language, so 3)'s out. Logical > connection looks like a good solution and adds the flexability of > connectives to imperatives {ko .u mi nitcu klama caku} (heh. ma xe fanva > zoi .gy. save yourself! .gy. la lojban). > > {.iicai ko nurxru ko} > zo nurxru .u'e Again, a connection I wouldn't have made with my current command of the lojbanic vocabulary. Schweet. Thanks again for the help! This is just what I need! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_333_29436315.1398424032910 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do= nt think 2) is correct at all. It states that I go, no command towards me i= s present.
.ier= u'e je'a gendra gi'u smudra 

.u'= esai xaugensku   Most of my understanding of Lojban is an exercise in = the execution of book knowledge.  My activity here over the past few d= ays comprises my only experience thus far of Lojban "in the wild" where peo= ple actually use it to express themselves.  I find it surprising at ti= mes.  Especially in cases like the above phrase, which would be a mout= hful bau la gleki.  
3)  Use the experimental {ko'oi} such that {zo ko du lu do k= o'oi li'u}
4)  Assign {ko} as though it were an assignable sumka'i using {go= i}
 
mi ckire fo lo rodo sidju
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na gendra. To nitpick, you wanted {fi}, and I think you dr= opped a {nu}. 

.u'i .i mi ckire = do lo mu'e do drani fi lo mi cusku  Please, nitpick away.  That's= half my reason I came out of my lojbanic ivory tower. Learning is all abou= t trial and error.  Which means to learn, I must try, and I must err. =  If I don't see my error, then my trying will have been wasted.  = So again, thanks!
 
I tend to prefer #1.  I don't recall reading that {ko} works as a= n assignable sumka'i, so I hesitate to use 4).
<= div>
I'm still learning the language, and I'm teaching= my wife and 4 and 7 year-old sons,
so as a personal preferen= ce I'm avoiding the use of experimental valsi until we all have a= better command of the language, so 3)'s out.  Logical connection look= s like a good solution and adds the flexability of connectives to imperativ= es {ko .u mi nitcu klama caku} (heh.  ma xe fanva zoi .gy. save yourse= lf! .gy. la lojban).
=
{.iicai ko nurxru ko} 

zo nurxru .u'e  Again, a connection I wouldn't h= ave made with my current command of the lojbanic vocabulary.  Schweet.=  

Thanks again for the help!  This is ju= st what I need!

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