Received: from mail-pa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.220.63]:51383) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WgIsa-00051B-Kw for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 02 May 2014 12:12:21 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id lf10sf1000623pab.8 for ; Fri, 02 May 2014 12:12:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Y9vIMt/XZwlEBXQjh9MKVUbD91Vbqhve0qrqh/uoATQ=; b=QN4MxWGsJCcV/2gSYobXDxNU+1BerneMOe94qfIS8BwzShTX8ZfcsEzi2AA3xDVXT7 oEugBq+cBXUlQ4bfBckZCP/sYSfqytl9U/ZO9IynmOj8GGDRDqFMcsVl2gleKRnTZJhc VahCHLVdOz20RmGCJgEOMgcGdlLReeqQzx/JNXM49/bX+sotO9WhqExiNoghLMb5HPVF khC4aIiUv78lByZ3lkp51TQjZ1Fi8MJNR9+KzimqfYjxGT2LRdsRSekluuLbsgQQtkE8 ESRK+onMrjRxXTQV+IqSQW7VeomPsxiEyY5sWvuTQS30e/RaFrNJ5OWaJJyd00kxmkfz 2NHg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Y9vIMt/XZwlEBXQjh9MKVUbD91Vbqhve0qrqh/uoATQ=; b=cS2iKMo5xixQYgTP347RcwSJRysdGGHG58gATjVrbu8RvNP3aQEqaOdooK2dntIJKs Jx9mGLZRqPaUONO600sez7ULaVb0oO3lJrMdfdWch6UXFU6LgVtvN/zXs8OTHNpZOYfK eBMR9Yvlqij+h7tx9YRe6noQyoYJYxixS1ElDc2sD7/ReKsJuyo3bboEahxEhH2uuO4J 6dpSqKfZ+Y2iVneL3LEvxRaDITc0v7l5EEcaJ7bd/zH2GugSmBlyv/dX340m7pRFs6fv u9VOceBojunOdWjvHq22iVJ4lCB8Pe2NtywoTuCbr/P0L/FnYZGwQcOYoG5zyVIR+AQ0 PCFg== X-Received: by 10.182.236.225 with SMTP id ux1mr18477obc.37.1399057929180; Fri, 02 May 2014 12:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.142.138 with SMTP id rw10ls759567obb.76.gmail; Fri, 02 May 2014 12:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.118.138 with SMTP id km10mr20773obb.27.1399057928280; Fri, 02 May 2014 12:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 12:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ".neit." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <723c28ce-8f24-457f-9521-218fe64a9f45@googlegroups.com> <20131103020054.232ea78a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] each language grammer is universaly by some method MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kosmikconundrum@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1205_19817463.1399057927490" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1205_19817463.1399057927490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sounds like an Espranto-ish mechanism. Personally, I quite like Lojban's tense cmavo, and tenseless default. I'd rather not get into conjugating gismu based on tense. Besides, you'd have to come up with another rule to handle collisions (eg: if -u makes a gismu past tense, then what's the present tense of {zo gismu}? Would you call that {gismu'u}? And what would that do to rafsi, lujvo, and sumtcita derived from said confusing words ({smacu'u} ~ "is a mouse?") For all this trouble, I see nothing to gain. No, I prefer the cmavo. They're more flexible and explicit, you don't need to worry about double vowels. But perhaps most importantly, we would have to invalidate all the of gismu, rafsi, lujvo, and sumtcita determinations and rules made to date, as well as all of the texts written based on said determinations and rules, just to change the way we do tenses. mi'e .neit. mu'o On Saturday, November 2, 2013 9:13:26 PM UTC-4, aionys wrote: > The best I can make of this is that it seems he is proposing that we > make the ending vowel of gismu reflect the tense it is being used in, so > that for example dunda would become dundu in the present tense and dundy in > the past tense. > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Jones > > wrote: > >> His messages rarely make much sense. We've tried to get him to post in >> his own language, seeing as other people here know it and could translate >> much better than his own attempts, but he hasn't listened. >> >> I advise you to do as I and just ignore him when you can make neither >> heads nor tails of him. >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Wuzzy >wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 04:32:15 -0700 (PDT) >>> la ki'es-di'es > said this: >>> >>> > For example, according to Arabic grammer the past word end of y and >>> > the present end of u and do "order" verb end of consonant, so that >>> > true for lojban verb gismu valsi we can manipulate with the last >>> > letter of verb, for the verifing of the validity of that the idea. >>> >>> o_O Your message does not make any sense to me. What the fuck are you >>> talking about? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Wuzzy >>> XMPP: Wuz...@jabber.ccc.de >>> E-Mail: wuz...@mail.ru >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Sounds like an Espranto-ish mechanism.  Personal= ly, I quite like Lojban's tense cmavo, and tenseless default.  I'd rat= her not get into conjugating gismu based on tense.  Besides, you'd hav= e to come up with another rule to handle collisions (eg:  if -u makes = a gismu past tense, then what's the present tense of {zo gismu}?  Woul= d you call that {gismu'u}?  And what would that do to rafsi, lujvo, an= d sumtcita derived from said confusing words ({smacu'u} ~ "is a mouse?")&nb= sp; For all this trouble, I see nothing to gain.
 
No, I prefer the cmavo.  They're more flexible and explicit, you = don't need to worry about double vowels.  But perhaps most importantly= , we would have to invalidate all the of gismu, rafsi, lujvo, and sumtcita = determinations and rules made to date, as well as all of the texts written = based on said determinations and rules, just to change the way we do tenses= .
 
mi'e .neit. mu'o

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 9:13:26 PM UTC-4, aionys wrote:
The best I can make of this is that it seems he is proposing that we m= ake the ending vowel of gismu reflect the tense it is being used in, so tha= t for example dunda would become dundu in the present tense and dundy in th= e past tense.


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
His messages rarely make much sense. We've tried to get him to post in= his own language, seeing as other people here know it and could translate = much better than his own attempts, but he hasn't listened.

I a= dvise you to do as I and just ignore him when you can make neither heads no= r tails of him.


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Wuzzy <alm...@aol.com> = wrote:
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 04:32:15 -0700 = (PDT)
la ki'es-di'es <buro...@yaho= o.co.uk> said this:

> For example, according to Arabic grammer the past word end of= y and
> the present end of u and do "order" verb end of consonant, s= o that
> true for lojban verb gismu valsi we can manipulate with the = last
> letter of verb, for the verifing of the validity of that the i= dea.

o_O Your message does not make any sense to me. What the = fuck are you
talking about?


--Wuzzy
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E-Mail: wuz...@mail.ru

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.i.e'ucai ko cmima= lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side= ! Luke, I am your father. :D )


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