Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:57872) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WjrYy-0004Ry-5X for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:57 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f61.google.com with SMTP id m15sf677739wgh.6 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=x3oFUsKbFdjf5iuJ0/6fHTWIHwxalBentoPyZIHDu+8=; b=bMP3gV7rkHaugajKTqyqjST5vioTh76zywSk9a6OtIn+uIvKUqWZxvk7uyQNCAsilQ gXxH8XZn+2wlRFv7TKNLBya/HocHhdczObbnfwJc+PqaigRhtpFif7N+sEhFlGRa/NoW KjBFUMf1SKOEZBOgXo1VNtoTZT9zoxTJdYG7/nT4TdWpKCAokZ4WQDF9NxFq5yjR/JEC IL/ZoPF5cupMtFBbLA8OOwF8tf5f3CrrmmFJAk8ggB2agbIefPaFsCrSA2lKmUSORROj BOViOBf3xJpJ2o25+x1iHBnur5SjFnS7gPkh9mpW0JV7jTqDsy2B+5Wy9jXP5q+DK7el tHfg== X-Received: by 10.180.81.69 with SMTP id y5mr76185wix.19.1399906236348; Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.9.212 with SMTP id c20ls714907wib.8.canary; Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.211.114 with SMTP id nb18mr1730113wic.4.1399906235683; Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x22a.google.com (mail-qg0-x22a.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k3si1842457qcn.2.2014.05.12.07.50.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a; Received: by mail-qg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id q107so7918850qgd.1 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.22.52 with SMTP id 49mr31224674qgm.63.1399906235434; Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.201.67 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2014 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <14122373.tkubhtF59R@caracal> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 09:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] fatri From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c152a8e1ea9804f93511e9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c152a8e1ea9804f93511e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was personally thinking "...lo'i lanzu lo'i pa citlamne", but I am probably wrong. My thinking was that what we have is a collection of families and each one receives a set containing exactly one lamb. But I wouldn't have any problem with Xorxes' version, either --gejyspa On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas = wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> Which is correct?: >> ca lo panomoi be lo ca masti loi citlanme cu fatri loi lanzu pa citlanme >> or >> ca lo panomoi be lo ca masti loi citlanme cu fatri pa lanzu pa citlanme >> ? What I want to say is that lambs are distributed among families so tha= t >> each >> family gets one lamb. >> > > The second version is definitely not what you want, since it says that th= e > lambs were distributed among one family, so presumably all the other > families got nothing. > > The x3 of fatri is tricky, since it's logically a place for the (single) > size of the portions, not for the (many) portions themselves, so I would > say "lo citlamne cu fatri lo lanzu lo pa citlamne" "the lambs are > distributed among the families in portions of one lamb". With "pa citlamn= e" > it says that there is one and only one lamb x such that the lambs were > distributed among the families with x as the portion, which is at least > weird if not false. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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=C2=A0 I was personally thinking "...lo'i lanzu l= o'i pa citlamne", but I am probably wrong. =C2=A0My thinking was t= hat what we have is a collection of families and each one receives a set co= ntaining exactly one lamb. =C2=A0But I wouldn't have any problem with X= orxes' version, either

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa

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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas = <jjllambias@gm= ail.com> wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16= AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
Which is correct?:
ca lo panomoi be lo ca masti loi citlanme cu fatri loi lanzu pa citlanme or
ca lo panomoi be lo ca masti loi citlanme cu fatri pa lanzu pa citlanme
? What I want to say is that lambs are distributed among families so that e= ach
family gets one lamb.

The second = version is definitely not what you want, since it says that the lambs were = distributed among one family, so presumably all the other families got noth= ing.

The x3 of fatri is tricky, since it's logically a p= lace for the (single) size of the portions, not for the (many) portions the= mselves, so I would say "lo citlamne cu fatri lo lanzu lo pa citlamne&= quot; "the lambs are distributed among the families in portions of one= lamb". With "pa citlamne" it says that there is one and onl= y one lamb x such that the lambs were distributed among the families with x= as the portion, which is at least weird if not false.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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