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On the mailinglist the terms =E2=80=9Cbu letteral=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Czei=
 lujvo=E2=80=9D came up.
Sorry, I can=E2=80=99t find the discussion, so I repeat the idea.

The term =E2=80=9Cbu letteral=E2=80=9D was for combinations of the form
=E2=80=9C<SOME WORD> bu=E2=80=9D, eg. =E2=80=9C.a bu=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9C.e =
bu=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cdenpa bu=E2=80=9D, etc.

Of course, the question how to say this in Lojban came up.
Xorxes suggested =E2=80=9Cbu letteral=E2=80=9D to be lojbanized as =E2=80=
=9Czo bu zei lerfu=E2=80=9D.
This looks strange and unintitive to me. I am not even sure if this is
grammatical and if yes, under _which_ grammar? xD PEG? YACC? Something
else?
But I have a much better idea. Did you know that =E2=80=9Cbu=E2=80=9D has 2=
 rafsi?
They are =E2=80=9Cbus=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cbu'i=E2=80=9D. So I could make =
the wonderful lujvo
=E2=80=9Cbusle'u=E2=80=9D to mean =E2=80=9Cx_1 (text) is a =E2=80=98bu lett=
eral=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D.
Example: =E2=80=9Clu .a bu li'u busle'u=E2=80=9D
I admit, the definition needs to be improved, but I think you get the
idea.

A =E2=80=9Czei lujvo=E2=80=9D (as I understood it) is defined as any lujvo =
which uses
the cmavo =E2=80=9Czei=E2=80=9D in it and the =E2=80=9Czei=E2=80=9D can=E2=
=80=99t be =E2=80=9Csimplified away=E2=80=9D. So =E2=80=9Cte'o
zei dugri=E2=80=9D is a =E2=80=9Czei lujvo=E2=80=9D because it has a =E2=80=
=9Czei=E2=80=9D in it and it can=E2=80=99t be
shortened. However, =E2=80=9Cgerku zei zdani=E2=80=9D is not a =E2=80=9Czei=
=E2=80=9D lujvo, because it
can be simplified to =E2=80=9Cgerzda=E2=80=9D and means the same thing.

I forgot about the suggested lojbanization for =E2=80=9Czei lujvo=E2=80=9D =
and I have no
idea how to lojbanize this without disturbing the grammar. Obviously
=E2=80=9Czei lujvo=E2=80=9D alone is not valid Lojban.

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