Received: from mail-pa0-f58.google.com ([209.85.220.58]:46668) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wl63T-00024g-Ek for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:25 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f58.google.com with SMTP id kq14sf477071pab.23 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2N8eJV0HKN6D4r3ySAJkb0XqRQVg9qccoRxTCplO4lM=; b=Byn0yErKkl+7fdjU4ESoQi5xYr71kM4R8e2RkBSEULiBPqCTWbtrwo3iuO+OY1k7yt o/gD6MT1LvJNn/OvaBU3/7UlGzRPmZDyBi723pJDDgQOpDMK7UrcaXDh96qKb1Jv3uZS aYESu54KU25bdJCj4rfeuTs5jnw6DWEXWHlGgHpd4xzGlYc3kPgVJRHS+I+occp1836B FBFUtkWnd5EAdEp/lH9/0t/G1iIMoU5ZEDnQdFtXHCHywijKymK8pi89k5aNhSQQWeTO BPt7ZlIRBo0Np/5Wh7Suuy+zzbUvIJcV36rR8HGaq0rY9d4X9Th3Da97Pppw/dUnQEPf p4fQ== X-Received: by 10.182.110.169 with SMTP id ib9mr97176obb.5.1400200273609; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.200.202 with SMTP id ju10ls215181obc.87.gmail; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.153.68 with SMTP id ve4mr6788160obb.39.1400200273222; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-x235.google.com (mail-oa0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f5si14145igh.3.2014.05.15.17.31.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::235; Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id m1so2204600oag.40 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.165.73 with SMTP id yw9mr13475660obb.39.1400200272957; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.118.167 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.118.167 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:31:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <20140515173852.477d9f55@aol.com> <20140516015036.1f762326@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 20:31:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's leadership and how I don't give a shit about it From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3164ce2576504f979878a X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c3164ce2576504f979878a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It really seems to me that official leadership positions are a question for the LLG membership and board. Unofficial leadership, which does come from the whole of the Lojban-speaking community, isn't something you vote on by saying aye or nay, but by letting the person lead and then following or not. Selpa'i leads, and we mostly do follow; in a sense, then, the true vote concluded long ago, and the community said yes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c3164ce2576504f979878a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It really seems to me that official leadership positions are= a question for the LLG membership and board. Unofficial leadership, which = does come from the whole of the Lojban-speaking community, isn't someth= ing you vote on by saying aye or nay, but by letting the person lead and th= en following or not. Selpa'i leads, and we mostly do follow; in a sense= , then, the true vote concluded long ago, and the community said yes.

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