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Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:45:43 -0700
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's leadership and how I don't give a shit
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(now *there's* an endorsement :)

If selpa'i were awake I know that he would agree with one point and
disagree with the other. He's certainly of the opinion, that we have shared
together, that leadership comes from the communal support you refer to.
However, I think selpa'i would describe to you some of his experience in
trying to lead, before, in which he received some extremely loud backlash.

Both of these things come together to form the motion we're now proposing.
While I could only reasonably interpret your message as incredibly
supportive; its also absolutely important that we do this thread. We're
doing this thread because we too are perceptive the support you mention. By
holding this motion explicitly in front of the community, we are asking all
those who do indeed support selpa'i to manifest that support here so that
the strong influence he has in the community today can be demonstrated and
give weight to the ensuing change in leadership.

As for the commentary regarding the LLG; we're definitely aware of it and
the BPFK's missions, history and status. I'll just say that a few LLG
members and the chair of the BPFK have already given mixed support, both
fully and provisionally.


On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com>wrote:

> It really seems to me that official leadership positions are a question
> for the LLG membership and board. Unofficial leadership, which does come
> from the whole of the Lojban-speaking community, isn't something you vote
> on by saying aye or nay, but by letting the person lead and then following
> or not. Selpa'i leads, and we mostly do follow; in a sense, then, the true
> vote concluded long ago, and the community said yes.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">(now <i>there&#39;s</i>=C2=A0an endorsement :)<br><br>If s=
elpa&#39;i were awake I know that he would agree with one point and disagre=
e with the other. He&#39;s certainly of the opinion, that we have shared to=
gether, that leadership comes from the communal support you refer to. Howev=
er, I think selpa&#39;i would describe to you some of his experience in try=
ing to lead, before, in which he received some extremely loud backlash.<div=
>
<br></div><div>Both of these things come together to form the motion we&#39=
;re now proposing. While I could only reasonably interpret your message as =
incredibly supportive; its also absolutely important that we do this thread=
. We&#39;re doing this thread because we too are perceptive the support you=
 mention. By holding this motion explicitly in front of the community, we a=
re asking all those who do indeed support selpa&#39;i to manifest that supp=
ort here so that the strong influence he has in the community today can be =
demonstrated and give weight to the ensuing change in leadership.<br>
<br>As for the commentary regarding the LLG; we&#39;re definitely aware of =
it and the BPFK&#39;s missions, history and status. I&#39;ll just say that =
a few LLG members and the chair of the BPFK have already given mixed suppor=
t, both fully and provisionally.</div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu,=
 May 15, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Craig Daniel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:craigbdaniel@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">craigbdaniel@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">It really seems to me that of=
ficial leadership positions are a question for the LLG membership and board=
. Unofficial leadership, which does come from the whole of the Lojban-speak=
ing community, isn&#39;t something you vote on by saying aye or nay, but by=
 letting the person lead and then following or not. Selpa&#39;i leads, and =
we mostly do follow; in a sense, then, the true vote concluded long ago, an=
d the community said yes.</p>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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