Received: from mail-ve0-f183.google.com ([209.85.128.183]:41063) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wl9J5-0003gW-83 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 15 May 2014 20:59:53 -0700 Received: by mail-ve0-f183.google.com with SMTP id jw12sf549280veb.10 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 20:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5Kb/jC03bCWmd1vdn7db0noXRQXuhWafrglxLhWK1nI=; b=GdW75DX9fPfu2ZHVo843QyWvevvB0ML2QSx8cb6Vbu28ZkW2yhQJqsCSazGLRNeD7r 7JPiUjwsWN2KWd3itqu9BIJnqktMVeKnhljBACZ2NE+XX3jOfKbmlswpM4EsBECXN96e NkDyS1HXpVjXGVRU0rOnsE7OKGlTHc6Bq2Q8R6t/f5Xcyb3nZpRsx7StCRLg739x6+Uk F23W/360oGbMLwc3ZwI6/MOEgU1h0CPtZ8RwF3ZJ9geU0ECTSQXGxsZpcbjb6nANEOwP 3OuN0X/AaYXs+qozudflpopuT5sk4vi26CS3HYcLICLsree1MrcaYRbY4JSFCI2YG8Sk v0xg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5Kb/jC03bCWmd1vdn7db0noXRQXuhWafrglxLhWK1nI=; b=rEbT4oHB2Nnl0RAENQU1HtKiSUx9B4ToYyWOSiWcy58vpyN/bCeP1eam40vf3fpUyZ 0giLIOMq1UISET0iwMS2/YrdbOe8zrXTuU4HY4AFraui3K2WAxcbyEBrpTIucs6kxOTK s4zkD5NyGXYl/PCXlEWZo6DRN++4GROELEBPaB5lEquWAVSp0r6KD+XlteIbEN36be0k H84tJ4ziVmsA89elntz2g/2Z0FGY84kjfbAEQgNLw3qtX3sqvvCW2LPaoyvSRmht7hRl N/cbi8Adh3/iilA0NBJoCQzpio/OkCHE5lVJOaE4lxPN1g+0n7KEYr75HsLIW0vv6kx6 gkHA== X-Received: by 10.50.61.100 with SMTP id o4mr424369igr.7.1400212772899; Thu, 15 May 2014 20:59:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.51.17.104 with SMTP id gd8ls228155igd.16.gmail; Thu, 15 May 2014 20:59:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.61.100 with SMTP id o4mr424366igr.7.1400212772340; Thu, 15 May 2014 20:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 20:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dustin Lacewell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <20140515173852.477d9f55@aol.com> <20140516015036.1f762326@aol.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's leadership and how I don't give a shit about it MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: dlacewell@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_277_17240138.1400212771304" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_277_17240138.1400212771304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hmm, I definitely don't understand this response very well. It sounds like you're saying that the baseline is complete yet undocumented. Reminding us that the language is intended to be "frozen" until the documentation is indeed complete. Furthermore, that you don't believe the BPFK will ever be "finished" completing that documentation. You then state that lojban is a non-static evolving language. So if I at least read you correctly, I'm unsure how to interpret the content. Are you suggesting that BPFK will never complete the documentation of the baseline (and hence reach an unfreeze) *because* lojban is ever changing? (If not, why do you believe the BPFK will never finish - we agree that its unlikely but if lojban's dynamic nature is not the reason, I'm interested as to why you think so) What is the overall aim of your reply? If you indeed believe that lojban is an evolving language then I don't actually see the source of fervor. Maybe you are just emphasizing the supposed machinations of policy that are supposed to address the goals that we're trying to accomplish by nominating selpa'i to this position? Maybe you are emphasizing the supposed freeze and trying to encourage us to not endeavor to change it until this happens, especially by nominating someone with the specific purpose of having the right to do so? Maybe I've missed you completely. Which I definitely don't want because I'd like to address your actual concern. On Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:39:52 PM UTC-7, aionys wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Jones > > wrote: > >> ...[T]he BPFK's role is to maintain and update the documentation of the >> official status of the language, as in, what the words mean, how they can >> or can not be used, etc. etc. >> > > Which includes reviewing and approving any change proposals, as well as > updating any relevant documentation accordingly. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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Hmm, =
I definitely don't understand this response very well. It sounds like you'r=
e
saying that the baseline is complete yet undocumented. Remi=
nding us that the
language is intended to be "frozen" until t=
he documentation is indeed
complete. Furthermore, that you do=
n't believe the BPFK will ever be "finished"
completing that =
documentation. You then state that lojban is a non-static
e=
volving language.
 
So if I at least read=
 you correctly, I'm unsure how to interpret the content.
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sp;
Are you suggesting that BPFK will never complete the doc=
umentation of the
baseline (and hence reach an unfreeze) *be=
cause* lojban is ever changing? (If
not, why do you believe =
the BPFK will never finish - we agree that its unlikely
but =
if lojban's dynamic nature is not the reason, I'm interested as to why you<=
/div>
think so)
 
What is the =
overall aim of your reply? If you indeed believe that lojban is an
evolving language then I don't actually see the source of fervor. Ma=
ybe you are
just emphasizing the supposed machinations of =
policy that are supposed to address
the goals that we're try=
ing to accomplish by nominating selpa'i to this position?
=
Maybe you are emphasizing the supposed freeze and trying to encourage us to=
 not
endeavor to change it until this happens, especially by=
 nominating someone with
the specific purpose of having the =
right to do so?
 
Maybe I've missed you =
completely. Which I definitely don't want because I'd like
=
to address your actual concern.

On Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:= 39:52 PM UTC-7, aionys wrote:
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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:3= 7 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:
...[T]he BPFK's role is to maintain and update the documenta= tion of the official status of the language, as in, what the words mean, ho= w they can or can not be used, etc. etc.

Which includ= es reviewing and approving any change proposals, as well as updating any re= levant documentation accordingly.
 
--
mu= 'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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