Received: from mail-yh0-f62.google.com ([209.85.213.62]:47988) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WlPaB-0005YC-8X for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:33 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f62.google.com with SMTP id f73sf1388142yha.7 for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=we0NjpfCFKWSW6ZXcxo7USfyEk7CWAl2FiROGUqhBVI=; b=mVmKd1uKUtIe8wzzvfBnygGMFYv0PXsSIkaHVOPegdlHLxwcHyFguWXpcF+DSjVCBX T6W4SDgwSK8cW5YBmD0RhdpXdrfWGPdAtIIuf18J2XRU/8oegrsusLq+np4IQ3LdZcWA 2ZH83ctcZOwNKKzsB5BQSxKo0TyjGoNWNY7JxpBdkeO+yBA6G1UpO2fc7nA/oZ5EUrlF gPHTDq64l+uklQEwSPvQguH39RdRL70RykJKDm52oXjnGIwKu9bPtQwpepMvF/P+me0y VQimrvpPpjtJQfOur+wZOcryIo9F3l1NZbCHtNFtDd7sBYMV+6WBQ+EVA8mk8ZTzC3cz sQkw== X-Received: by 10.50.80.10 with SMTP id n10mr6818igx.2.1400275337169; Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.154.97 with SMTP id vn1ls604106igb.34.canary; Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.31.81 with SMTP id sf17mr8636260icb.4.1400275336551; Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x234.google.com (mail-ve0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vl16si581495vdb.1.2014.05.16.14.22.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234; Received: by mail-ve0-x234.google.com with SMTP id db12so3765487veb.39 for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.104.7 with SMTP id ga7mr13566229vdb.29.1400275336465; Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2014 14:22:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 18:22:16 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Place structures, linkargs and a bit of FA From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1136be7204943f04f98b02f5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a1136be7204943f04f98b02f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Advanced_Place_Structure_Mangling > > In short: the former. Note that this is not Word of BPFK, merely Word of > Tsani (with agreement from several others, myself included). > > That's the reasonable answer, backed up by the parsing structure. A related point is that quantifiers in a be-argument shouldn't be exportable to the main prenex, because they belong to the definition of the new selbri created by "be". This can be used to give a quantifier that appears later in the sentence scope over one that appeared earlier, but inside a be-argument. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a1136be7204943f04f98b02f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Ian Johnson <= blindbravado@gm= ail.com> wrote:
In short: the former. Note that this is not Word of BPFK, merely = Word of Tsani (with agreement from several others, myself included).


That's the reasonable answer= , backed up by the parsing structure.=C2=A0

A rela= ted point is that quantifiers in a be-argument shouldn't be exportable = to the main prenex, because they belong to the definition of the new selbri= created by "be". This can be used to give a quantifier that appe= ars later in the sentence scope over one that appeared earlier, but inside = a be-argument.=C2=A0

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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