Received: from mail-ie0-f191.google.com ([209.85.223.191]:59487) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WlhsO-0004hS-1O for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:30 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f191.google.com with SMTP id tp5sf292484ieb.28 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=hTqB7MW9QDq09ihoZyb3TpJOy6MFB6WnPn1idBoTfts=; b=GrVvW/hmPjOI8FpadIDa5X8y+evaetpmrJJqQCelMWMQRVyed+EduK2S7ULBrechlE +dcNQn/mOPB3ov5PlgS5bENIM19sjnF7Yxvm5qtR0KQ7FeoD/adrsuamdPSSLpC4oWMz 9xVVJFH6RjHCxkR/FQHu7QHX70sawspmF35jg01WBsAZ39v+zp6Cn14P8f6qBYcmDmAH gJEGwGcMSDu3wY3eQoNNqX/8JDnuHqz5UOmVCEjFDaVnBZSrus+7DZhRyCRxPAawfS8x xco8fGbVLSXNTiRWj0MRoI6Q4hA1dLbWpKnFooa+5lMA0BpNbXxIgKiwjOCqswctjRT7 Nobg== X-Received: by 10.50.79.137 with SMTP id j9mr108610igx.15.1400345657882; Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.79.196 with SMTP id l4ls694428igx.4.canary; Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.157.35 with SMTP id wj3mr9831321pab.11.1400345657442; Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x229.google.com (mail-ve0-x229.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fj1si724145vdc.3.2014.05.17.09.54.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::229; Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id jx11so4741007veb.28 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.18.198 with SMTP id y6mr7736259ved.31.1400345657306; Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2014 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 13:54:17 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Place structures, linkargs and a bit of FA From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d80847773cb04f99b618c X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b6d80847773cb04f99b618c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:37 AM, la durka wrote: > I don't understand the related point. Can you give an example? > > Consider: (1) mi dunda no da su'o de (2) mi dunda be no da su'o de (1) means that I don't give anything to anyone, while I'm suggesting that (2) should mean that there's someone to whom I give nothing. In other words, (1) is: no da su'o de zo'u mi da de broda with broda = "dunda", whereas (2) should be: su'o de zo'u mi de brode with brode = "dunda be no da", where "be no da" is part of the selbri, not part of the arguments of the main bridi. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b6d80847773cb04f99b618c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:37 AM, la durka <durka42@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
I don't understand the = related point. Can you give an example?

Cons= ider:

=C2=A0 (1) mi dunda no da su'o de

=C2=A0 (2) mi dunda be no da su'o de

(= 1) means that I don't give anything to anyone, while I'm suggesting= that (2) should mean that there's someone to whom I give nothing.

In other words, (1) is:

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 no da su'o de zo'u mi da de broda

= with broda =3D "dunda", whereas (2) should be:

=C2=A0 su'o de zo'u mi de brode

with brode =3D "dunda be no da", where "= be no da" is part of the selbri, not part of the arguments of the main= bridi.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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