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Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:15:06 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] "bu letteral" and "zei lujvo"
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On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote:

> You're right, this is a better way of thinking about it. The way I was
> thinking about it is inherently left-to-right: zu'u in {zo si si}, {zo si}
> becomes a single word, then {si} sees it and deletes it. zu'unai in {ko'a
> zei zo}, {zo} never gets a chance to quote something to form a single word
> because {zei} eats it first.
>
>
Right. I like to define "Lojban word" as anything and only those things
that can be quoted with "zo".

That means that "bu" can convert most words into lerfu, but not all words
(it can't convert "zo", "lo'u", "zei", "bu", "si", "sa", "su", hopefully
I'm not forgetting any one. I don't remember now what happens with "fa'o"),
but in compensation it can convert some word groups into lerfu (zo-quotes,
lo'u-quotes, zei-lujvo, bu-lerfu).

With my definition , "y" is not a Lojban word, because it can't be quoted
with "zo", because you are allowed to hesitate between "zo" and the word
you are quoting.

The rule "you can't pause in the middle of a word" is not completely valid
if "word" is taken to mean anything that "bu" can convert into a lerfu, but
it's correct if taken to mean anything that "zo" can quote.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5"><span style=3D"color:rgb(=
34,34,34)">You&#39;re right, this is a better way of thinking about it. The=
 way I was thinking about it is inherently left-to-right: zu&#39;u in {zo s=
i si}, {zo si} becomes a single word, then {si} sees it and deletes it. zu&=
#39;unai in {ko&#39;a zei zo}, {zo} never gets a chance to quote something =
to form a single word because {zei} eats it first.</span><br>
</div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>Right. I like to define &quot;Lojban word&quot; as anything and only tho=
se things that can be quoted with &quot;zo&quot;.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
>
<div>That means that &quot;bu&quot; can convert most words into lerfu, but =
not all words (it can&#39;t convert &quot;zo&quot;, &quot;lo&#39;u&quot;, &=
quot;zei&quot;, &quot;bu&quot;, &quot;si&quot;, &quot;sa&quot;, &quot;su&qu=
ot;, hopefully I&#39;m not forgetting any one. I don&#39;t remember now wha=
t happens with &quot;fa&#39;o&quot;), but in compensation it can convert so=
me word groups into lerfu (zo-quotes, lo&#39;u-quotes, zei-lujvo, bu-lerfu)=
. =C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>With my definition , &quot;y&quot; is not a Lojban word=
, because it can&#39;t be quoted with &quot;zo&quot;, because you are allow=
ed to hesitate between &quot;zo&quot; and the word you are quoting.=C2=A0</=
div>
<div><br></div><div>The rule &quot;you can&#39;t pause in the middle of a w=
ord&quot; is not completely valid if &quot;word&quot; is taken to mean anyt=
hing that &quot;bu&quot; can convert into a lerfu, but it&#39;s correct if =
taken to mean anything that &quot;zo&quot; can quote.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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