Received: from mail-pb0-f62.google.com ([209.85.160.62]:33122) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wlujx-00015l-Qv for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:42 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f62.google.com with SMTP id rp16sf1250258pbb.7 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=phEVRFnr6DonhKhFPssNgXn+tg7zkftmq4DYqquHP70=; b=Hc6hPScvohg4TNN0waA2kmNmN87U7lKHb6ol0x+cp7YwkJ6jcAZzJPuiWx6P71tCJ0 V8LUFUCGJKXiiP2dO400pcmStSECYd75WxzBOXUiL3ioeXyyw7p5pJVJ8F6AdJlSzRGN MfxLREAaebWTOWlW1brMrYObz8r0Bds+3UOvUgpiq+ggFeWh0YYD+M3bh76VA1b14Y9j ZcO1J0NllBNNnC55toKnxDc+HTCi2eJevdG1JbOlh9HPV9lhImT/5PXe/j5LJqyv9fbB YVUAWUPz9wpv0zrozaj7nJxojlyIJZynDGTX4a69R0HZa4obXFtUhol5KdULy3+hZ8sk vENg== X-Received: by 10.50.6.103 with SMTP id z7mr179030igz.11.1400395107843; Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.61.136 with SMTP id p8ls1263963igr.17.canary; Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.137.105 with SMTP id qh9mr14215035pab.30.1400395107334; Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x233.google.com (mail-qg0-x233.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ci7si1017583qcb.1.2014.05.17.23.38.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233; Received: by mail-qg0-x233.google.com with SMTP id q107so6780182qgd.38 for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.32.138 with SMTP id c10mr27090815qad.35.1400395107176; Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.39.200 with HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2014 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2450695.9C4GC8onKd@caracal> References: <20140516091948.GG4119@samsa.fritz.box> <2450695.9C4GC8onKd@caracal> Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 00:38:27 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's leadership and how I don't give a shit about it From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d9c91e8955604f9a6e49b X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b5d9c91e8955604f9a6e49b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Depending on how you look at it, the disagreement you mention isn't actually there: "Reply to me, only when you understand..." "Reply to me only, when you understand..." So, I'd say the problem isn't that the English and Lojban disagree, but that the English can be misinterpreted. If there's an example which has an error, I would most likely recommend just fixing the error- with a note in the wiki edit as to what was changed, of course- but I don't think anything more than that would need to be done. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday, May 16, 2014 03:34:09 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > The instructions for what needs to be done are on the BPFK Community > > Workpage. Basically, > > anything that isn't colored either blue or green on the BPFK > > Sections page is what needs > to > > be worked on. Red ones are the ones that most desperately need work. > > I was reading the section "Causation sumtcita" and noticed an example where > the Lojban and English disagree: > > i ko spuda mrilu mi po'o fau lenu do tcidu je jimpe ti > Reply-mail to me only when you read and understand this. > > In my dialect (but I've heard usage of "only" that makes me wince), the > Lojban > means "Reply-mail only to me when...", and the English means "ko spuda > mrilu > mi fau po'o...". If I find an apparent error in an example, or something > that > should be clarified, should I ask the shepherd of the section, discuss it > on > the wiki, or what? > > Pierre > > -- > lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Depending on how you look at it, the d= isagreement you mention isn't actually there:

"Reply = to me, only when you understand..."
"Reply to me only, w= hen you understand..."

So, I'd say the problem isn't that the English and Lojban= disagree, but that the English can be misinterpreted.

If ther= e's an example which has an error, I would most likely recommend just f= ixing the error- with a note in the wiki edit as to what was changed, of co= urse- but I don't think anything more than that would need to be done.<= br>


On Sat,= May 17, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> w= rote:
On Friday, May 16, 2014 03:3= 4:09 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> The instructions for what needs to be done are on the BPFK Community
> Work<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Community+Work>= page. Basically,
> anything that isn't colored either blue or green o= n the BPFK
> Sections <http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Sections> page i= s what needs to
> be worked on. Red ones are the ones that most desperat= ely need work.

I was reading the section "Causation sumtcita" and noticed = an example where
the Lojban and English disagree:

i ko spuda mrilu mi po'o fau lenu do tcidu je jimpe ti
=A0Reply-mail to me only when you read and understand this.

In my dialect (but I've heard usage of "only" that makes me w= ince), the Lojban
means "Reply-mail only to me when...", and the English means &quo= t;ko spuda mrilu
mi fau po'o...". If I find an apparent error in an example, or som= ething that
should be clarified, should I ask the shepherd of the section, discuss it o= n
the wiki, or what?

Pierre

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