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Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership
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2014-05-20 21:51 GMT+04:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <
lojbab@lojban.org>:

> I'm not sure how you know that.  I've not seen any useful measures of the
> size of the community of late.  When I visit the IRC channel, I see several
> dozen tags supposedly logged in, but at most a couple of people respond
> when I say something, so I'm not sure those tags are real people.  There
> are several groups that come up when I search for Lojban on Facebook.  The
> largest in terms of members seems to be run by gleki - there are 1353
> members but a large percentage of those were added by gleki or someone
> else, so we really have no way of knowing if those people are all
> participating (I am not, since my limited Facebook activity is strictly for
> my family; I've intended to set up a separate Lojban-related account, but I
> simply don't have time for it, even if I had a clue how to make good use of
> social media).
>

This is true. Lojban activity can be measured e.g. by the number of
sentences in Lojban produced there. The largest activity  in this regard is
definitely in IRC. There is almost nothing to archive from Facebook logs
(apart from threads not in Lojban). The main purpose of Facebook group is:
here are the links for learning Lojban and one of the links is our IRC chat.

Strangely enough, IRC proved to be the most stable Lojbanic island for so
many years.
I wish we had better Facebook-like features there like e.g. reading the
logs (note that many people can't use irssi or similar products and can't
be connected to the internet 24/7).

Otherwise I again agree with Lojbab that first we need the stuff done.
I'm not sure the current BPFK Sections in the wiki are a good place for
finishing the baseline. I'd prefer one single document, e.g. "CLL, service
edition, alpha version, only for BPFK and with lots of mistypes" rather
than a bunch of mostly not-connected pages in the wiki.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
2014-05-20 21:51 GMT+04:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">l=
ojbab@lojban.org</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":h1" class=3D"a3s" style=3D"overf=
low:hidden">I&#39;m not sure how you know that. =C2=A0I&#39;ve not seen any=
 useful measures of the size of the community of late. =C2=A0When I visit t=
he IRC channel, I see several dozen tags supposedly logged in, but at most =
a couple of people respond when I say something, so I&#39;m not sure those =
tags are real people. =C2=A0There are several groups that come up when I se=
arch for Lojban on Facebook. =C2=A0The largest in terms of members seems to=
 be run by gleki - there are 1353 members but a large percentage of those w=
ere added by gleki or someone else, so we really have no way of knowing if =
those people are all participating (I am not, since my limited Facebook act=
ivity is strictly for my family; I&#39;ve intended to set up a separate Loj=
ban-related account, but I simply don&#39;t have time for it, even if I had=
 a clue how to make good use of social media).<br>
</div></blockquote></div><br>This is true. Lojban activity can be measured =
e.g. by the number of sentences in Lojban produced there. The largest activ=
ity =C2=A0in this regard is definitely in IRC. There is almost nothing to a=
rchive from Facebook logs (apart from threads not in Lojban). The main purp=
ose of Facebook group is: here are the links for learning Lojban and one of=
 the links is our IRC chat.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Strangely e=
nough, IRC proved to be the most stable Lojbanic island for so many years.<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I wish we had better Facebook-like features=
 there like e.g. reading the logs (note that many people can&#39;t use irss=
i or similar products and can&#39;t be connected to the internet 24/7).</di=
v>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Otherwise I=
 again agree with Lojbab that first we need the stuff done.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra">I&#39;m not sure the current BPFK Sections in the wiki are=
 a good place for finishing the baseline. I&#39;d prefer one single documen=
t, e.g. &quot;CLL, service edition, alpha version, only for BPFK and with l=
ots of mistypes&quot; rather than a bunch of mostly not-connected pages in =
the wiki.</div>
</div>

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