Received: from mail-lb0-f192.google.com ([209.85.217.192]:45624) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wn6w4-0001f3-0R for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 21 May 2014 06:52:17 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f192.google.com with SMTP id p9sf198211lbv.29 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 06:51:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fyjlDr1rYebfxQnr47qTyjHS90f/gk4bWKNG0c9rnTc=; b=NTF1b030cim4pPHto4VDmo/+7F8Vjt8ZDm9gld6ulP4cUkuumGeuw11UTjFANoX6IY GxbXf1p5WFoANcVr57qjAusjMZ5HuTX/n+G3W5shpDQm9rpo1a0ghHZuFjwIBtF9A6Io izdCjRSp8TXxYKSwAFcuRPE7BggLcneMtxbuVlne6b/rrhmyu1tLbGlNFXWwj0SFEz67 1u3zCbn44ESzk3PRONkhn/IDx+ny8H7HMPPxwpc7KdMak1N86HLMtLy6C+wREqB9NDyA pQOGoZlWZunAzHAkhwYPHK4OiGvvsvI7ORxPMyAFVjZJxwab9ZLVAF4mIIU1ECN6vQNC WkrA== X-Received: by 10.152.8.193 with SMTP id t1mr16643laa.11.1400680312174; Wed, 21 May 2014 06:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.9.135 with SMTP id z7ls149324laa.101.gmail; Wed, 21 May 2014 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.54.169 with SMTP id k9mr4159188lbp.1.1400680311450; Wed, 21 May 2014 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22c.google.com (mail-wg0-x22c.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13si69533wiw.1.2014.05.21.06.51.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 May 2014 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c; Received: by mail-wg0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id a1so2047290wgh.27 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.62.176 with SMTP id z16mr2374832wjr.76.1400680311305; Wed, 21 May 2014 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2014 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:51:51 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] guheks and geks for operators From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba979c2663ecb04f9e94c0b X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7ba979c2663ecb04f9e94c0b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also dag's CLL lost example 17.6) which can be still found in the original= : http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter18.html 2014-05-21 17:24 GMT+04:00 guskant : > > > Le mercredi 21 mai 2014 16:46:57 UTC+9, Zsb=C3=A1n Ambrus a =C3=A9crit : > >> On 5/21/14, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >> > http://dag.github.io/cll/14/17/ >> > ---- >> > Example 17.4) contradicts what is stated before. It is not parsed >> > >> > Is it an error in CLL? Has it been already described? >> >> There's more where this came from. In chapter 18, see >> >> http://dag.github.io/cll/18/17/ >> >> This repeats the same mistake in example 17.5. That example too >> should use {gu'e} instead of {ge} because it tries to connect mekso >> operators. >> >> Further, in the same page, the English translation of 17.6 is missing >> the division bar, also "then x =3D " should be vertically aligned with >> the division bar rather that with the numerator. This is probably a >> formatting problem that got created during conversion. >> > > As for Example 17.6 of Chapter 18, we need also a condition a/=3D0, and = the > lojban sentence should be: > go ge li .abu bi'epi'i vei xy. te'a re ve'o su'i by. bi'epi'i xy. su'i cy= . > du li no > gi li .abu nadu li no > gi li xy. du li vei va'a by. ku'e su'i ja vu'u fe'a vei by. bi'ete'a re > vu'u vo bi'epi'i .abu bi'epi'i cy. ve'o ku'e ve'o fe'i re bi'epi'i .abu > > (which we Japanese lojbo discussed long ago: > http://ponjbogri.github.io/cll-ja/chapter18.html#e17.6 > ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Also dag's CLL =C2=A0lost example 17.6) which can be s= till found in the original:


2= 014-05-21 17:24 GMT+04:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:


Le mercredi 21 mai = 2014 16:46:57 UTC+9, Zsb=C3=A1n Ambrus a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 5/21/14, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http= ://dag.github.io/cll/14/17/
> ----
> Example 17.4) contradicts what is stated before. It is not parsed
>
> Is it an error in CLL? Has it been already described?

There's more where this came from. =C2=A0In chapter 18, see

http://da= g.github.io/cll/18/17/

This repeats the same mistake in example 17.5. =C2=A0That example too
should use {gu'e} instead of {ge} because it tries to connect mekso
operators.

Further, in the same page, the English translation of 17.6 is missing
the division bar, also "then x =3D " should be vertically ali= gned with
the division bar rather that with the numerator. =C2=A0This is probably= a
formatting problem that got created during conversion.

=C2=A0As for Example 17.6 of Chapter= 18, we need also a condition a/=3D0, and the lojban sentence should be:=C2= =A0
go ge li .abu bi'epi'i vei xy. te'a re ve'o s= u'i by. bi'epi'i xy. su'i cy. du li no=C2=A0
gi li .abu nadu li no=C2=A0
gi li xy. du li vei va'a by.= ku'e su'i ja vu'u fe'a vei by. bi'ete'a re vu'= u vo bi'epi'i .abu bi'epi'i cy. ve'o ku'e ve'o = fe'i re bi'epi'i .abu

(which we Japanese lojbo discussed long ago:

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