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[85.13.134.113]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g42si1974833eev.1.2014.05.21.08.51.42 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 May 2014 08:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: me@v4hn.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=85.13.134.113; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc1d7c.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.29.124]) by dd12116.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5D94224C0ADE for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 17:51:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:51:41 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership Message-ID: <20140521155141.GI19511@samsa.fritz.box> References: <53760BA6.60403@lojban.org> <537B9635.4000805@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aziWXe2aaRGlkyg3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: me@v4hn.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --aziWXe2aaRGlkyg3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:05:33PM +0400, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Otherwise I again agree with Lojbab that first we need the stuff done. > I'm not sure the current BPFK Sections in the wiki are a good place for > finishing the baseline. I'd prefer one single document, e.g. "CLL, service > edition, alpha version, only for BPFK and with lots of mistypes" rather > than a bunch of mostly not-connected pages in the wiki. This "I would prefer it that way" attitude is a pretty good example for the problem lojbab just explained: On 2014-05-20 21:51 at GMT+04:00, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > Of course there is will for things to move forward. That has been true for > years. What there isn't are workers willing to work as part of a team to move > forward on the tasks that team leaders need them to do. Everyone wants to do > their own thing in their own way, and as a result the usefulness of any > particular effort is accidental. There are _always_ tons of ways to move forward. What's important is that one is decided upon and actually pursued. 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