Received: from mail-ee0-f58.google.com ([74.125.83.58]:57684) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WnmB7-00060N-4V for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:54:23 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f58.google.com with SMTP id c13sf473197eek.3 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:54:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=Ak7APZefT1cQB+YihUukJ1l9W5Ez+8486spN9Z3hcdI=; b=j5DKpFoNdF0aUqyYRAiJQM6M4gs7bLBcDF4w3rS7g3hDmagCT8n+Th4PXCWcWtCHbH y5wKXyCzBaHYf0fzGuqs3x3E8+WiZr6t9ZQH4B3K839/orTFwbcCO+Zihq/Q6wwVJ116 v6+HqQcIl+xtpixueSBubZU3qCv4rvHALcA0tPrSsZ65p89cr+6fDcOMTsWLeiPBqP/L 9Aykn1LXcs52vG64awF7GGF9pFXySTijsDxLivTn1wmEqJR33HnhsiOBquSWPGx06VU5 TSxXzcizFbodmGuMSm+Pg5OHT+npus8JJhBHmqo0QOcd+jlbwSsSZjrde7tTwz6n1iBw IafA== X-Received: by 10.152.18.134 with SMTP id w6mr37157lad.1.1400838849580; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.42.139 with SMTP id o11ls276903lal.82.gmail; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.157.129 with SMTP id wm1mr104211lbb.17.1400838848630; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dd12116.kasserver.com (dd12116.kasserver.com. [85.13.134.113]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g42si1048902eev.1.2014.05.23.02.54.08 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 23 May 2014 02:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: me@v4hn.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=85.13.134.113; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc2a3c.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.42.60]) by dd12116.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DB27424C0F19 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 11:54:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 11:54:07 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] Who needs the LLG? Message-ID: <20140523095407.GU19511@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aXNiKu4lnbRqA5kZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: me@v4hn.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --aXNiKu4lnbRqA5kZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Good morning everyone, last night I visited the #balningau channel and quickly got into an argument with ldlework. Basically, his position is the following: - The LLG (which no one in this ninjbo movement ever attended as far as I know) is obsolete and lojban doesn't need it anymore - Annual meetings make no sense because issues in lojban arise more dynamically and should be resolved, also by changing the language officially, by a dynamic group of people instead of a committee - for the final act of making the change official one person is enough (see next item) - It's much better to use the "benevolent dictator" principle on all levels (this includes decisions of the LLG) This is a rather more radical perspective than the latest "leadership" debate, so I thought someone might wants to comment on this. v4hn --aXNiKu4lnbRqA5kZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTfxq+AAoJEKCfEUk/PuMmTLcP/1wfTCtLqODawsoPg+kQx7K2 UT8YY/buHScfqEDJP0vMs8HV9SEYVaU0kDCgaUavXroPXO1kunDEMlTrdJOOIBgq I+Rm95t3DS2Ladt0qouZlJk4WpH5C+n17Tmqc7LKbiQ6ixthvoRtlLQN2dSh+uJ3 5BBW4p4bvV6OqeiyBgaBRxuBPhB3j3ZWfyG5vmSGkktX+rnD4U6Hg292T92mCQYN EXtmTa5fq7Qr4ms9htuOoP4Bhu/m9+HOGzePdcZo4BA5GuJEs1pdS2az15ZGYroE auQyXmfDSNxJD85WRGaJ6lztlQ9ewv6+HnyH1JHKY0Cz8N3x5g9LvEejMvWHmAti SGk8Ueh9C28yVUd3m3wx4/5Jo5sioLWceRE51XY3bNRqr14OHTHhHiYqX0jXoaNb puHbtjdb4wiDouQvLshfGEcwzl+jv1nTRcfdOsCZKMTMLdsz8LeLSTvrgkC2fV34 WBbcycXwjbQd3G9USnZw8Laq+vePOTcU1ztsMzNJrrDr/kBsKhHcy3GzL/jUUqFF GJfWQNlphdcyrcvWbz/HnhTOf0n4vt4laxKI1w6uXjeUBTdP0h1ozO7YRqHfvNhI zN0GXr14TcOdMWn18v8AO+zis3x+KIHUFCCgGScIwWp01MJlno6hB+Kc9jGhb7gn QrypIgdMVxq6GQdv2AFP =3h8O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aXNiKu4lnbRqA5kZ--