Received: from mail-la0-f57.google.com ([209.85.215.57]:33527) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WnmCe-00061j-22 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:56:08 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f57.google.com with SMTP id hr17sf421148lab.12 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:55:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cm9MDYLya5tJRYMyZI/qWwP6vr9nYjKog5Us8BBz+Js=; b=KtdrD2TrkHPcclJvVkIqPaa+Ioo99v18myiPn2hwo7pMIm6HIi2gRm/B4L2/rqRV2v XWTpdWKjqXlaGTe75wqF9gzourk8t0OzBAZZX/4x2q+r39Kl/CHne4Ml8Z2y1QGRTO8D lXuMXeU0QNFCK6Jp4Sy2als0XXM/7qOxCgyuTcLGwLlGHMJJvXlQIKSSagnqpqnbyjuv 81fb8xOtrh7i7ptPJkrnsxnl4zRBVHXCRh3IfvF3ghKxUMi9cXH2adq2Qc2Oq4nDKpXo apYgoXs1zqee/Ea6xTuU584m7bxjT1SWsMnf2f6LQlXpz8iuBJHQ8UxfmRBNcUNgCtbq zzsw== X-Received: by 10.181.8.76 with SMTP id di12mr34478wid.1.1400838944344; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:55:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.73.115 with SMTP id k19ls64994wiv.18.gmail; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:55:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.182.17 with SMTP id ea17mr230154wic.3.1400838943633; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x236.google.com (mail-wi0-x236.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ng3si50105wic.0.2014.05.23.02.55.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 23 May 2014 02:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::236; Received: by mail-wi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id r20so566944wiv.9 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:55:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.62.176 with SMTP id z16mr1066810wjr.76.1400838943535; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2014 02:55:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140523095407.GU19511@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20140523095407.GU19511@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 13:55:43 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Who needs the LLG? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba979c29dfaa604fa0e3b26 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7ba979c29dfaa604fa0e3b26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think it's a misunderstanding. Did he mean BPFK? 2014-05-23 13:54 GMT+04:00 v4hn : > Good morning everyone, > > last night I visited the #balningau channel > and quickly got into an argument with ldlework. > > Basically, his position is the following: > > - The LLG (which no one in this ninjbo movement ever attended as far as I > know) > is obsolete and lojban doesn't need it anymore > - Annual meetings make no sense because issues in lojban > arise more dynamically and should be resolved, also by > changing the language officially, by a dynamic group > of people instead of a committee - for the final act of making > the change official one person is enough (see next item) > - It's much better to use the "benevolent dictator" principle > on all levels (this includes decisions of the LLG) > > This is a rather more radical perspective than the latest > "leadership" debate, so I thought someone might wants to > comment on this. > > > v4hn > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7ba979c29dfaa604fa0e3b26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think it's a misunderstanding. Did he mean BPFK?


2014-05-23 = 13:54 GMT+04:00 v4hn <me@v4hn.de>:
Good morning everyone,

last night I visited the #balningau channel
and quickly got into an argument with ldlework.

Basically, his position is the following:

- The LLG (which no one in this ninjbo movement ever attended as far as I k= now)
=C2=A0 is obsolete and lojban doesn't need it anymore
- Annual meetings make no sense because issues in lojban
=C2=A0 arise more dynamically and should be resolved, also by
=C2=A0 changing the language officially, by a dynamic group
=C2=A0 of people instead of a committee - for the final act of making
=C2=A0 the change official one person is enough (see next item)
- It's much better to use the "benevolent dictator" principle=
=C2=A0 on all levels (this includes decisions of the LLG)

This is a rather more radical perspective than the latest
"leadership" debate, so I thought someone might wants to
comment on this.


v4hn

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