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[68.230.241.215]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x7si718427qcd.3.2014.05.23.19.51.41 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 19:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=68.230.241.215; Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140524025140.IPLZ31158.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 22:51:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.248.61]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id 5erg1o00E1LDWBL01ergKn; Fri, 23 May 2014 22:51:40 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.5380093C.00AF,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=GKHW5JxK c=1 sm=1 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:17 a=FojzyqKkZIMA:10 a=50JHEN97zxgA:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=4wBzfHmvrK8Er_HtFosA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=RArPjKU1UzgA:10 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <53800942.9030407@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 22:51:46 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update References: <58rT1o00o56Cr6M018rUTR> In-Reply-To: <58rT1o00o56Cr6M018rUTR> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 5/22/2014 4:50 PM, Dustin Lacewell wrote: > You can view the result of this approach in this thread: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/_juGorRhWtI > > We implore you to carefully review the progression of discourse and > consider for > yourself what may be concluded from the positions put forth there. The > outcome > is not much different than what we expected when we submitted the original > message, at least in terms of pushback. The amount of explicit support and > advocacy was incredibly encouraging and reaffirming. You seem to have rather low standard for "encouraging and reaffirming". The Lojban community numbers in the several hundreds if not thousands. Maybe 1000 copies of CLL have been sold. People who bought it expect that the language will not lightly be changed under them. You and your few others (relative to that 1000) of course do not respect that, which is your choice. My position requires me to oppose yours, and to consider your efforts schismatic. ----- For the other query in this thread: perhaps LLG is unnecessary as an organization, but if Lojban is ever to become something other than a word-of-mouth hobby, it needs an business organization in any relevant political entity capable of dealing with laws, and finance, and business matters. LLG is a nonprofit that can accept financial contributions (in the USA) that are tax-deductible. That is why we had the money to publish CLL in the first place. And why we can eventually hope to publish a dictionary and other books, and sell them internationally. Esperanto and all other significant language projects have one or more organizations in several countries. Of course maybe you and your friends are happy with Internet-only materials. I'm an old fossil by your standards. And perhaps when I no longer have the capability of participating, others will decide to fold LLG. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.