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Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete
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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

> Another revision of gimste done by me is complete.
>
> I based it on excellent simple definitions of gismu made by la .aionys.
> (.io) but changed them here and there.
> The most important difference is that I specified possible sumti types for
> each place.
> E.g.
> (event) - an event place. {nu} or any other place like nicte1 that has
> {nu} inside is possible for this place.
> (assertion) - du'u
> (property) - ka with ce'u referring to x1 of the current gismu
> (property of x2) - ka with ce'u referring to x2 of the current gismu
> One of the rare sumti types is e.g. (ordered set) that requires using
> {ce'o}.
>
> Places with just x1, x2... without a sumti type specified imply "object"
> sumti type (e.g. mlatu1)
>
>
Do you have a full list of the types you used? When you flag a place with a
type, do you mean that no other type is allowed in that place, or just that
at least the mentioned type is allowed?


The gismu that changed their place structure are:
> zabna, mabla, traji, satci, konju
>

There are many gismu with place structure "x1 is a ... (some shape) of
material x2". If you remove the material place from "konju", wouldn't it
also make sense to remove it from bolci, slanu, clupa, djine, bliku, tapla,
tubnu, grana, bidju, dirgo, and many others? Why "konju" specifically?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Another revision of gi=
mste done by me is complete.</div><div><br></div><div>I based it on excelle=
nt simple definitions of gismu made by la .aionys. (.io) but changed them h=
ere and there.</div>
<div>The most important difference is that I specified possible sumti types=
 for each place.</div>
<div>E.g.</div><div>(event) - an event place. {nu} or any other place like =
nicte1 that has {nu} inside is possible for this place.</div><div>(assertio=
n) - du&#39;u</div><div>(property) - ka with ce&#39;u referring to x1 of th=
e current gismu</div>

<div>(property of x2) - ka with ce&#39;u referring to x2=C2=A0of the curren=
t gismu<br>One of the rare sumti types is e.g. (ordered set) that requires =
using {ce&#39;o}.</div><div><br></div><div>Places with just x1, x2... witho=
ut a sumti type specified imply &quot;object&quot; sumti type (e.g. mlatu1)=
</div>

<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do you have a full li=
st of the types you used? When you flag a place with a type, do you mean th=
at no other type is allowed in that place, or just that at least the mentio=
ned type is allowed?=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div><div>The gismu that changed their place structure are:</div><div>za=
bna, mabla, traji, satci, konju</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There are many gismu with plac=
e structure &quot;x1 is a ... (some shape) of material x2&quot;. If you rem=
ove the material place from &quot;konju&quot;, wouldn&#39;t it also make se=
nse to remove it from bolci, slanu, clupa, djine, bliku, tapla, tubnu, gran=
a, bidju, dirgo, and many others? Why &quot;konju&quot; specifically?=C2=A0=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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