Received: from mail-qc0-f183.google.com ([209.85.216.183]:60860) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WoHW4-0004iU-Vp for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:22:16 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f183.google.com with SMTP id m20sf1636808qcx.0 for ; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gBgCXkix1Ah4FUffejNgFdeGR7KQhU4fe5ZlkrSKjyw=; b=jfFPnKdbf9lhOV2t0KTPngJrmkHUB+dVGUhn+Qm1jF5qEiljmzY3ZNmYs5Jipehg5r ZKwWbyDR3cT/UpB2eyKwU+nv/JawbGiolg/dGvJVATXSR5SKPon5JX118GfQ1ziEj8W/ 15Qh3D3qTkhFvTHbfkWzJyIYQFstkkZmGDAqWaZ7FkBGzNPtsFm3x4CjKNbqBY8zywEi vRZsGkDfKXPr4vYtWFwFswqiOFQSiwhtR9Gr9fGuzHfhADNY+z/BDM+TxzVL7cXH7gbd n1Gt4aM+NN+HySn2x8vhB1zDvnOVu8c9w0IjRxfzoLngn93t0YUuZdae1/I7GWDUqAsH wjgA== X-Received: by 10.140.80.5 with SMTP id b5mr1629qgd.20.1400959314658; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.105.54 with SMTP id b51ls2317309qgf.48.gmail; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.101.148 with SMTP id b20mr5108741yhg.46.1400959314401; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h3si408280igq.3.2014.05.24.12.21.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 24 May 2014 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d; Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id wm4so6703870obc.4 for ; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.115.232 with SMTP id jr8mr14058358obb.35.1400959314087; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.118.167 with HTTP; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:21:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5380C9D6.60605@lojban.org> References: <53800942.9030407@lojban.org> <5380C9D6.60605@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 15:21:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > Until a new baseline is approved, the CLL (along with a few other documents) > is the de jure baseline. It is of course the process of creating a new > baseline that has been the problem. Specifically, per the ZG policy adopted at the 2007 LLG meeting, CLL-compliant Lojban is de jure baseline Lojban, and so is any Lojban that fails to comply with the CLL standard only because it adheres to the differences specified in the zasni gafyfantymanri (also called the "interim baseline," specifically to reflect the fact that it's part of a two-standard state of affairs that is not expected to continue). That is, the standard form of the language technically includes both. It is also officially the case that the LLG currently (as of 2007 when xorlo was added to the ZG) expects that xorlo will be part of the "final" baseline once the BPFK work is done, and consequently considers ZG-compliant Lojban to be the preferred form for teaching new speakers - but the wording of that policy is such that if you go strictly by the CLL, you are explicitly still speaking valid, currents-tandard-compliant Lojban until such a time as the baseline is finished. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.