Received: from mail-wi0-f190.google.com ([209.85.212.190]:46785) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WoHnO-0004or-RC for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:40:01 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f190.google.com with SMTP id q5sf199662wiv.7 for ; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:39:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FZikOyZUKEvs3BocvHW5FGuinFmqxZ8eBCN1QZ1MFTA=; b=FCPUUd04POTAsxhWIDWXHi8fI8epydo59I9MNraA3doDvaqUWqLKg1P3p2bIzpeZ9j MmX0DdzDwFmC8gZMUr8Be3RVL7kYnWAGFSZv8VOo3jTIaVe3fIgS/kEsFWo3YwySXRN4 nVtT3xyK/mmBIfO02H9/2H72Vo6Im0Yb0uIoCPy5t6mXOor7eOkIoCUaMeKaxU6HjgjH cphZbGFnOGfePsYmkivA7Hq8YFppGrqPkbbXp59Maj0yEC5Iwle7WljlpD03/si7pc6c iAd23nr5NIrPd3w7X8Eqz4e3jWnZC3Vh+/hXWmc+bje1mDJy7U1Gmrn3/PGJKqScFUa3 CIbA== X-Received: by 10.180.90.51 with SMTP id bt19mr32433wib.6.1400960387529; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.104.41 with SMTP id gb9ls236930wib.28.canary; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.82.134 with SMTP id i6mr1007919wiy.1.1400960386699; Sat, 24 May 2014 12:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r49si2513741eep.0.2014.05.24.12.39.46 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 24 May 2014 12:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.22; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.80.50]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LbM2k-1WQTZg1SY6-00ktwu for ; Sat, 24 May 2014 21:39:46 +0200 Message-ID: <5380F582.4010503@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 21:39:46 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update References: <53800942.9030407@lojban.org> <1400948010.93944.YahooMailNeo@web181103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53D0F569-A434-4953-9A1A-3F8D2001A8BB@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <53D0F569-A434-4953-9A1A-3F8D2001A8BB@yahoo.com> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:1gv9OAxV/fM/TV5hTK3lArmBl79UTWsA8o4RuFic/9V+u8IXL4F KDDO8cuMA/6/m8OYbN11E2QfqAILfgJBuI0pCLYIUiPUb/LoFRYZtLorILpc7nVV71O7qa5 2X/1Efry7uCAmxIDwZkbDPEL281ZDPjCCuDqSAiHC0ACqyKHJ379Qf1+2F7RRurEjT9OQp3 7MJiMk2Eg2nuIkW5LdNuQ== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > But at least the last of these may > include in the referent of 'lo broda' things which are not broda in any > sense, but rather, for example, broda bits. (There was broda all over my > bumper after I plowed into a herd of brodas.) Whether or not those things are considered things that {broda} depends on the universe of discourse. There is no pre-defined set of things which can and can't satisfy {broda} in all contexts. >Of course, this possibility does also rely on there not being > any absolute individuals, since me here extends below things which are > brodas (individual brodas still have members, they just aren't brodas). If the universe of discourse in question makes no distinction between an alive broda and one that got squashed, then they both {broda} equally. In another context, they may be considered distinct and then only one of them will {broda}, and the other is something else. None of this is strictly tied to {lo} or xorlo, but to the semantics of universes of discourse. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.