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[212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g42si2553524eev.1.2014.05.24.14.18.48 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 24 May 2014 14:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.80.50]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lp3Lw-1WKlLQ2Nsq-00eu5E for ; Sat, 24 May 2014 23:18:48 +0200 Message-ID: <53810CB9.1000601@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 23:18:49 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] lo broda cu broda (was Baliningau) References: <1400965718.28402.YahooMailNeo@web181106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1400965718.28402.YahooMailNeo@web181106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hrExCQgzYNWvie3I2H88bT2a3befg/D9roY0Ve0EXv/1G6sc6g0 9luF4XWhIpB5Xg6amu/uu0+KI3FJbS63xhf/LwPsbrt3iqLLI3dsdPXqof3YYRdsTdYQ2tK ejPYaTVCCctruAX8JwGs9iRbWxg9duoHk04lQAQkTjaRAUTyXUfRGXdaqYUe9Gw8fVzrAYA 07Km2D7H/MF3fHR75CO3Q== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > As noted, the problem remains whatever the universe assigns to 'broda'. > If every part of each broda is a broda, then there are no (even > relative) individuals to enumerate. If there are ultimate brodas then > the full generality which 'lo' was to represent is unrealized and we are > thrown back into muddled world of Mr. Broda and Brodatude and myopic > singulars, with even less support than we had before. But not every part of each broda is a broda in every universe, and neither do all universes consider only full broda as a broda. It always depends on which differentiation criteria are applied to the world in each situation. Mr. Broda is just one way of slicing up the world into referents. There, all broda are considered one and the same (or you could say there is only one broda and then you get to myopic singulars). In another universe, all parts of a missing body could be considered referents of the missing John Smith which police are trying to find. In yet another universe, what you would think of as being one thing can be split into several separated only by their position in time. E.g. each night's moon is a new one. "tonight's moon is prettier than last night's moon". Each situation warrants a new set of differentiation criteria and based on those we get different possible referents which not only {lo} can refer to, but also {le} and {la} and {da}. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.