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[193.149.48.1]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r49si2899704eep.0.2014.05.25.02.02.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 25 May 2014 02:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.149.48.1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ti@fa-kuan.muc.de) client-ip=193.149.48.1; Received: (qmail 24987 invoked from network); 25 May 2014 09:02:24 -0000 Received: from p4fe59c7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO Macintosh.fritz.box) (tueting@79.229.156.122) by mail.muc.de with SMTP; 25 May 2014 09:02:24 -0000 Message-Id: <0CB9C780-19AD-4431-BDCD-5731E479DEED@fa-kuan.muc.de> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Alfred_W._T=FCting=22?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <53800942.9030407@lojban.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 11:02:23 +0200 References: <58rT1o00o56Cr6M018rUTR> <53800942.9030407@lojban.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Sender: ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.149.48.1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ti@fa-kuan.muc.de) smtp.mail=ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Hello Robert > Maybe 1000 copies of CLL have been sold. People who bought it =20 > expect that the language will not lightly be changed under them. though silent here for years now - I'm grateful for your speak-out !! Best mi'e .aulung. Am 24.05.2014 um 04:51 schrieb Robert LeChevalier: > On 5/22/2014 4:50 PM, Dustin Lacewell wrote: >> You can view the result of this approach in this thread: >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/_juGorRhWtI >> >> We implore you to carefully review the progression of discourse and >> consider for >> yourself what may be concluded from the positions put forth there. =20 >> The >> outcome >> is not much different than what we expected when we submitted the =20 >> original >> message, at least in terms of pushback. The amount of explicit =20 >> support and >> advocacy was incredibly encouraging and reaffirming. > > You seem to have rather low standard for "encouraging and =20 > reaffirming". > > The Lojban community numbers in the several hundreds if not thousands. > > Maybe 1000 copies of CLL have been sold. People who bought it =20 > expect that the language will not lightly be changed under them. > > You and your few others (relative to that 1000) of course do not =20 > respect that, which is your choice. > > My position requires me to oppose yours, and to consider your =20 > efforts schismatic. > > ----- > > For the other query in this thread: perhaps LLG is unnecessary as =20 > an organization, but if Lojban is ever to become something other =20 > than a word-of-mouth hobby, it needs an business organization in any =20 > relevant political entity capable of dealing with laws, and finance, =20 > and business matters. LLG is a nonprofit that can accept financial =20 > contributions (in the USA) that are tax-deductible. That is why we =20 > had the money to publish CLL in the first place. And why we can =20 > eventually hope to publish a dictionary and other books, and sell =20 > them internationally. > > Esperanto and all other significant language projects have one or =20 > more organizations in several countries. > > Of course maybe you and your friends are happy with Internet-only =20 > materials. I'm an old fossil by your standards. And perhaps when I =20 > no longer have the capability of participating, others will decide =20 > to fold LLG. > > lojbab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google =20 > Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, =20 > send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. _______________ Alfred W. T=FCting ti@fa-kuan.muc.de --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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