Received: from mail-we0-f190.google.com ([74.125.82.190]:63136) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wobb2-0005sz-U8 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 09:48:37 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f190.google.com with SMTP id u56sf668531wes.27 for ; Sun, 25 May 2014 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZxqWcLwpluBAkRKuBBbuirapDwXwMJUns0ocwU7x/Ig=; b=Nq3cRE3nrCYY2ytKZFLwb6szFEjTlbp35V0VUo1qaVY6ThJ3O9s7JpGo1I6jBdlslU oArnunh+5HKMbewPvEvyBgYc7ay9BwkXqcLqfShEu0uv1YsxXdsDCFCAoxH5fe/oNqSi vV78mUrT7gMOMufjMi7tQq4nHwpANHTtUJRekJ6LxeQz3V2H+xppxkTShvfITfFfdHv9 BmSiSeHuuw5hmjaEIwD8ah6nFq+olUFdPKyy4SK2D40lO3bfXuF4zaFG+jzka1iw39Mv xB5RInYQfYvJ9IFvoxNQ5bL6AOXaPZuUW+BZ4Ha3nELrI/rWJa44iJiiLPtqFHLf8XPH r32w== X-Received: by 10.180.109.161 with SMTP id ht1mr38903wib.6.1401036501764; Sun, 25 May 2014 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.94.73 with SMTP id da9ls309539wib.39.gmail; Sun, 25 May 2014 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.212.12 with SMTP id ng12mr1389702wic.7.1401036501178; Sun, 25 May 2014 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.21]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g42si3266402eev.1.2014.05.25.09.48.21 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 May 2014 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.21; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([84.175.67.87]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKprU-1Wobau39nM-0005ex for ; Sun, 25 May 2014 18:48:20 +0200 Message-ID: <53821ED6.2040200@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 18:48:22 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update References: <53800942.9030407@lojban.org> <1400948010.93944.YahooMailNeo@web181103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53D0F569-A434-4953-9A1A-3F8D2001A8BB@yahoo.com> <5380F63E.3070006@gmx.de> <5wnJ1o00G56Cr6M01wnKXB> <5381C5B0.1000304@lojban.org> <6BKF1o01b56Cr6M01BKG8J> <538215D3.5050703@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <538215D3.5050703@lojban.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:j161Wz+PGlhJK+Enr9gDfVIcC9I0IiwFXGfiIIuW3ca3c0Dx+LZ 6bqT9pYPUdTTSOFNbmOiWlKRVEDrvkSuj+IEA9GWpaE/Vtlbzcpq+QMzoudZG/bdFTjOLKQ gsh5afJa+v4qdeMTEVFRGWZxvzb/AZL3jQ0S8c2RZgV0hojKl/zxt4GptcAAcJUpJ4UO4PN ZDkie5tWVGu+fIdKW8gyQ== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e >> Before you call this another claim without evidence, here is a thread >> from 2010 about just that: >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/xn8hCt3Aagw > > I don't see anything under that topic even slightly relevant to the > current discussion. It seems to be about whether people use the machine > grammar in their heads when speaking Lojban. Though indeed most of the > claims in said discussion were indeed without evidence. Please, did you even read the thread? It's about Robin's essay which clearly states that he doesn't want usage to decide and that he wants a centralized, formalized language. The responses in the thread (in which you *did* participate) showed that pretty much everyone except you agreed with him. The situation hasn't changed since then, but feel free to ignore it further. You clearly have no interest in acknowledging other people's ideals concerning the specification of Lojban even when they outnumber you and include many of the most prominent Lojbanists of all time, for which *I* have more respect than anything else. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.