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Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 11:29:00 -0700
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update
From: Dustin Lacewell <dlacewell@gmail.com>
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Did you just invoke your own death to bolster your position?

Bob. We want to fix some things in the language within a realistic
timeframe as to benefit from them without spending years doing uselessly
tautological work to reflect in materials that we will shortly after
rewrite, reflect a very out of date version of the language. How is it
possible that we're talking about all these odd topics that don't seem to
connect with solving that problem?

Its like, the problem is simple, the solution is simple, and lots of people
agree. If you stop this odd debate of trying to make us out to be some sort
of insignificant traitors or untrue scotsmen, you might see that the things
that have changed do improve the language and make things cleaner and more
elegant and more useful for speech and communication.

That improving the prescription more immediately to reflect modern usage,
so that we can better go on teaching and advocating the language, is even
contentious is boring. The debate is tired and apparently the arguments
have become very weak. And odd. You made some odd arguments Bob. That don't
really address the problem at all.

The dogmas serve no one except those who are more interested in debating
dogma and process rather than teaching lojban to new people and making sure
the language is digestible and effective. You need to start speaking to
realistic and practical short term solutions for those out there teaching
and using the language. But I don't expect that to happen. Just reflect on
the character of your tone and content. I don't realistically see you
changing your mind and saying things that are actually realistic in helping
solving our problems. Because of course we don't exist, and probably don't
even speak "Lojban" as it could be officially called anyway right?

Why are we not the first group to come along and suggest such
editorializing  of the language? Its because the language does not exist as
just some mental object.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Did you just invoke your own death to bolster your positio=
n?<div><br></div><div>Bob. We want to fix some things in the language withi=
n a realistic timeframe as to benefit from them without spending years doin=
g uselessly tautological work to reflect in materials that we will shortly =
after rewrite, reflect a very out of date version of the language. How is i=
t possible that we&#39;re talking about all these odd topics that don&#39;t=
 seem to connect with solving that problem?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Its like, the problem is simple, the solution is simple=
, and lots of people agree. If you stop this odd debate of trying to make u=
s out to be some sort of insignificant traitors or untrue scotsmen, you mig=
ht see that the things that have changed do improve the language and make t=
hings cleaner and more elegant and more useful for speech and communication=
.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That improving the prescription more immediately to ref=
lect modern usage, so that we can better go on teaching and advocating the =
language, is even contentious is boring. The debate is tired and apparently=
 the arguments have become very weak. And odd. You made some odd arguments =
Bob. That don&#39;t really address the problem at all.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>The dogmas serve no one except those who are more inter=
ested in debating dogma and process rather than teaching lojban to new peop=
le and making sure the language is digestible and effective. You need to st=
art speaking to realistic and practical short term solutions for those out =
there teaching and using the language. But I don&#39;t expect that to happe=
n. Just reflect on the character of your tone and content. I don&#39;t real=
istically see you changing your mind and saying things that are actually re=
alistic in helping solving our problems. Because of course we don&#39;t exi=
st, and probably don&#39;t even speak &quot;Lojban&quot; as it could be off=
icially called anyway right?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Why are we not the first group to come along and sugges=
t such editorializing =C2=A0of the language? Its because the language does =
not exist as just some mental object.</div></div>

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