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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: BTW, I added signatures to "Structure" columns. Are they okay to you? 2014-05-27 2:08 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías : > > On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Yes, "type" is what restricts a place, not a subtype. Subtypes are rather >> hints for newbies of what should go into a place. >> > > There seems to be some confusion between types and roles. Agent and > patient (experiencer), tool, observer, are roles, not types. If the sumti > filling that place loses the property when removed from that place, then > that prooperty is a role, not a type. A type should be intrinsic to the > sumti. A number is always a number, a property is always a property, an > agent is only an agent when playing that role. > > I did that some time in the past but unfortunately I lost the files I >>> worked with. >>> >> >> I can see that you grouped them into semantic classes. >> > > They are meant to be argument structure classes, not semantic classes, > although semantic classes do tend to share structure. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gleki.is.my.name[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid --089e013d144299883304fa5bb064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW, I added signatures to "Structure" columns. Are they okay to you? 2014-05-27 2:08 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Yes, "type" is what restricts a place, not a subtype. Subtypes are rathe= r >> hints for newbies of what should go into a place. >> > > There seems to be some confusion between types and roles. Agent and > patient (experiencer), tool, observer, are roles, not types. If the sumti > filling that place loses the property when removed from that place, then > that prooperty is a role, not a type. A type should be intrinsic to the > sumti. A number is always a number, a property is always a property, an > agent is only an agent when playing that role. > > I did that some time in the past but unfortunately I lost the files I >>> worked with. >>> >> >> I can see that you grouped them into semantic classes. >> > > They are meant to be argument structure classes, not semantic classes, > although semantic classes do tend to share structure. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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BTW, I added signatures to "Structure" columns. = Are they okay to you?


2014-05-27 2:08 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias= @gmail.com>:
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On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:38= AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wr= ote:
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Yes, "type&q= uot; is what restricts a place, not a subtype. Subtypes are rather hints fo= r newbies of what should go into a place.

There seems to be = some confusion between types and roles. Agent and patient (experiencer), to= ol, observer, are roles, not types. If the sumti filling that place loses t= he property when removed from that place, then that prooperty is a role, no= t a type. A type should be intrinsic to the sumti. A number is always a num= ber, a property is always a property, an agent is only an agent when playin= g that role.

I did that some time in the past but unfortunately I lost the files I wor= ked with.=C2=A0

I can see that you= grouped them into semantic classes.
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They are meant to be argument structure classes, n= ot semantic classes, although semantic classes do tend to share structure.<= /div>

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