Received: from mail-vc0-f187.google.com ([209.85.220.187]:54353) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WpThx-0000S8-4n for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 27 May 2014 19:35:21 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f187.google.com with SMTP id hy4sf2196530vcb.24 for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 19:35:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=o8TeTUkqChgDDACh1tre4Oo32cau0qk9CI54T7MzyVQ=; b=cSmaUKjzVpznyImhp0McEYYwjtC21FCNQtKuE/eDjKCVoOzsEpktn4lTzV3fFG2Cc6 /Irj0ih9cxi6YRZalMyYp28ImBOSaOV5cPKR8pNlkJXzUwBHbVgLnWU+O4o8ueRlwaLb dI+qVxMNceETLh8UJpb8S7N8suONRnqpsCYV5TsVvz7fXY5W7dEWa5etnV68tkHhWyNZ NYI15XoxMzTPJfdPtVDwhgpg/fIzihOTNHbr3Wgtb2rboBANMgP58dso6ahcTYVnQ1iI G5IRp5ppoTAB+s3AXLiqfpyRz2LRUZgrEBy/0HTSiWJ/e7n5Ko7V0owEH63J5Ug5vH/c 19oQ== X-Received: by 10.140.48.241 with SMTP id o104mr22108qga.38.1401206466029; Tue, 27 May 2014 09:01:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.96.201 with SMTP id k67ls3112009qge.22.gmail; Tue, 27 May 2014 09:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.165.230 with SMTP id e66mr11995901yhl.6.1401206465767; Tue, 27 May 2014 09:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.21]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id aa2si327239igd.3.2014.05.27.09.01.05 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 May 2014 09:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.21; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.120.211]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M3AWN-1WXMzH1Dlv-00syRn for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 18:01:04 +0200 Message-ID: <5384B6C1.4000604@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 18:01:05 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Learning basic Lojban vocabulary: one year after References: <20140527172834.28fc8a7d@aol.com> <1401206163.43007.YahooMailNeo@web181104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1401206163.43007.YahooMailNeo@web181104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:L5MsCmlnrNVichLHxtDolTBsUTpIhdaPt5WWVwhjvXtGRLd2AlT jIOWUCeV0oIrURvqPM0dY7Tm8q0BavazDIzBLrTT9iMJvnqiFObKLrSL4rkM1XTDeZvzcTN ZpFmVGI1uo92917nc/CYfV/fnUMTiWjEJNhkvPYy7OnTJ789FUcoXHNwIdS1C4jh3K2PB+q gbXfusq5RHSxK34ZkVAaQ== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e > I don't know how to break it to you, but valsi pumping is a remarkably > labor intensive process that has virtually no direct relation to > language proficiency. Some master memorizers can barely stumble through > a simple sentence; some people who can read Lojban at something like > first (or at least very familiar second) language level cannot pass any > of the flash card test at all. I don't know what your correlation is, > but I hope it is high enough that you can justify the time you have > spent. Theory, at least, suggest that that time would have been better > spent (assuming that easy real-time functioning in Lojban is your goal) > in reading Lojban text -- with a dictionary at hand (well, on the > screen) at first but less and less so as you went along (but always > there, since you will run into the rare word or place occasionally, just > like L1). Keep up the good work, however you pursue it. +1 More reading and conversing, less flashcards, is my suggestion. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.