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[212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r49si5373867eep.0.2014.05.27.07.39.43 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 May 2014 07:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from [192.168.2.108] ([93.220.120.211]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LmKag-1WGVga2mBe-00Zvqp for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 16:39:42 +0200 Message-ID: <5384A3B0.2080404@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 16:39:44 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update References: <20140525161129.7cff160d@aol.com> <53820348.509@gmx.de> <20140527155010.6a07cc0f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20140527155010.6a07cc0f@aol.com> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:se6BPaQjZmgpB8j2rO91Y1g48FRvIsjZvs0upvqEZvtSRc8+d0K X2M88pbIPBB0X0+aPhFwDkGijDXmHbiTg6j5L1lgCuXMVxym6+BQ0lDHr4q20LpfKLsUxeB 5F1zA+nE4dYvdeb4wvcEBcz2iYOhyif2QY2SLEzIlUNrdv07XmNlNgETVeJCC9K7F0iEdZ9 tSS5RZ97DhicyCSlLE0sA== X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .uuz=C3=ACt. cu cusku di'e > Am Sun, 25 May 2014 16:50:48 +0200 > schrieb selpa'i : > >> This is already happening both with gismu and with cmavo. Some people >> use a word one way, and others use it another way. Try to compare >> some texts and you will find conflicting usage. > Then this is because some Lojbanists tend to be clumsy when trying to > use Lojban. They are people, after all, and people make mistakes. This > includes me. Simple: Some people use Lojban correctly, the other people > use it incorrectly. How is tinkering with the gismu list helping here? io .i li'a lo nu sapyzengau lo gimste cu se jalge lo nu lo pilno cu=20 jdika lo ka xo kau roi srera .i ku'i mi na troci lo ka gasnu lo nu do=20 tugni .i la balningau cu se zukte lo ba'e xa'o jinvi be lo du'u ge lo=20 gimste ka'e melze'a gi lo nu cnegau cu xamgu .i .e'u do tolju'i se ba'i=20 lo nu damba .i la balningau cu fasnu > Then again they are simply ignoring Lojban as it stands today. They > are, willfully or not, breaking the rules. It=E2=80=99s simple as that. > Besides: I don=E2=80=99t even see what=E2=80=99s wrong with the =E2=80=9C= old=E2=80=9D x3 place of > traji. > > And please give evidence for the =E2=80=9Clots of people=E2=80=9D part. .a'u cu'i .i .e'u ko zenba lo ka jundi la jbogu'e .i ja ko pilno la=20 korpora zei sisku >> , lots of people use {mabla} with >> a new definition. > I never saw anyone who used =E2=80=9Cmabla=E2=80=9D in itself at all. Ple= ase give > examples. ja'o do io na banzu jundi la jbogu'e .i na nabmi .i ku'i lo du'u so'i da=20 pilno zo mabla cu jetnu .i ki'u ma do sruma lo du'u jifxu'a .i cizra mi=20 .i ke'u lo nu pilno la korpora zei sisku cu cumki .i .e'u io do ga sidju=20 gi tolju'i mi'e la selpa'i mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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