Received: from mail-qg0-f57.google.com ([209.85.192.57]:51046) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WpkML-0006y4-SS for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:22:17 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f57.google.com with SMTP id 63sf1065130qgz.2 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:21:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CoMe4tJyFYK5AxkBUbmwADUjxS5IHFXIfypBqBdIwHw=; b=UR7/haf2bNaqcpeC8yMg++Yu0Nrihix7Y+hlfde94VrZJljF7Pgdijm8V/Np59bHXm jM554QQjc6MX8FkBbQBbuYnLE85okiPGA5rV8Eidv1ZseB4o6zLWDAGEGhPHQXJjYha+ GD7VT32c/6s0IknbkRlwwznNd5wDGYGzi3W7K4PR5KFLvsYdWwbyV0iwrrNRgD/b3ugC kVFL8Y+l4TxjJb0vhFQYRJ3NjnZT898wwdoTR20m6K1sbWyZGt5qKr+NzwUwvqg+eNId aGr8ABJCgTy7lkoKww8kwOXsy8Ce8S42pMhNt/9DrsZDZ5Un7r/ZWKrA0VW06/IC2P7z mLBg== X-Received: by 10.50.164.129 with SMTP id yq1mr90270igb.15.1401308515563; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:21:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.36.72 with SMTP id o8ls1926928igj.36.canary; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:21:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.169.231 with SMTP id ah7mr928974pac.40.1401308515052; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x235.google.com (mail-vc0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id on5si1193500vdb.0.2014.05.28.13.21.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 28 May 2014 13:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235; Received: by mail-vc0-x235.google.com with SMTP id hy4so9546069vcb.40 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.97.202 with SMTP id ec10mr1834792vdb.55.1401308514932; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140528171446.GN885@gonzales> References: <750f9b01-a747-4b12-80ba-e31b7e7bd20e@googlegroups.com> <570dae9f-cda3-42c4-a861-1c7974fe5bfd@googlegroups.com> <20140525194906.GA885@gonzales> <20140527025346.GJ885@gonzales> <20140527204250.GL885@gonzales> <462524b8-28de-49f3-a938-4cc42543c28f@googlegroups.com> <20140528171446.GN885@gonzales> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 17:21:54 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307ac87f40df9a04fa7b90da X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307ac87f40df9a04fa7b90da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > The statement "there exists a function f(x) such that for all x, > P(x,f(x))" is logically equivalent to "for all x, there exists y such > that P(x,y)". There is, however, a difference between these two metalinguistic statements: "There exists a function f(x) such that the speaker of the sentence is claiming that for all x, P(x, f(x))" and "the speaker of the sentence is claiming that there exists a function f(x) such that for all x, P(x, f(x)". CLL-lo uses the second interpretation when interpreting such sentences. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --20cf307ac87f40df9a04fa7b90da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wr= ote:

The statement "there exists a function f(x) such that for = all x,
P(x,f(x))" is logically equivalent to "for all x, there exists y = such
that P(x,y)".=C2=A0

There is, however,= a difference between these two metalinguistic statements:

"There exists a function f(x) such that the speaker of the se= ntence is claiming that for all x, P(x, f(x))" and =C2=A0"the spe= aker of the sentence is claiming that there exists a function f(x) such tha= t for all x, P(x, f(x)".

CLL-lo uses the second interpretation when interpreting= such sentences.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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