Received: from mail-we0-f190.google.com ([74.125.82.190]:33708) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wpt3N-0003I8-OP for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2014 22:39:09 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f190.google.com with SMTP id u56sf1140159wes.27 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 22:38:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=57tbb3pCi6q2IdMv7zC4/50OQ4yTQ3qVfP3KgMD4LoU=; b=bCRi9l7lSCE12qbSEBO8T5BHBSBJ3VyxDFc8EhTsHROz/TqtaoTuYWqlHl22HoKl4w dV++KfGRsyK6o3RolzRDclZQckwcaqSPQCCb7MnhDDCCN+cawAwBQRvXoxNp2hOzDHSu fgwM+UwgVmvQedDox+M0x80txgJmoPlqgilOVp87bywXHy/RFXBOHrFi+r2+sMuqcgwr pCGVs18rY/qR8SFiJUhOJB1BrvbND2Xf32V27z9a2s3Y4t1t2OPlPUF5TU8Jfw7OvRRm YcsB2nfXhDNZ2CZQSiw3AuCQGcPomHvjDpni0csb1e+Kh+rTNTFYlHASCPjfTAbt9xTQ 8qpw== X-Received: by 10.180.87.161 with SMTP id az1mr108471wib.0.1401341933608; Wed, 28 May 2014 22:38:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.104.101 with SMTP id gd5ls778820wib.46.canary; Wed, 28 May 2014 22:38:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.14.102 with SMTP id o6mr605720wic.0.1401341932778; Wed, 28 May 2014 22:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com (mail-wi0-x235.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h4si399443wib.2.2014.05.28.22.38.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 28 May 2014 22:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::235; Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id n15so4970013wiw.8 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 22:38:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.14.72 with SMTP id n8mr55276337wic.53.1401341932653; Wed, 28 May 2014 22:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2014 22:38:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:38:52 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138a251ad44c04fa8358cc X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04138a251ad44c04fa8358cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, since there was misunderstanding of what "numeral" is I'll have to replace it with "number". Now how can a number be {ruble}? 2014-05-29 3:30 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, I made corrections except in the following words. Please explain >> how can: >> >> girzu1 be an event? x1 (group) is a group with common feature x2 >> (property) due to set x3 linked by relations x4 (assertion) >> > > A group of events is both girzu and fasnu. As I said before, I don't thin= k > "group" should be a type, or at least it doesn't seem to belong to the sa= me > typology. > > >> jarki1 be an event? x1 is narrow in length/width etc. x2 (property) >> > > If events can have dimensions (and they can) they can be jarki. It's a > vi'a or vi'u event which is ve'i in the second most significant dimension= . > > jbini1 be an event or a numeral x1 is between x2 (set) in x3 (property) >> > > (I think you want "number" rather than "numeral". A numeral is a symbol > (me'o) that refers to a number (li). "5" and "V" are two different numera= ls > that refer to the same number, the number five.) > > What's so weird about an event being among other events, or a number > between other numbers? Events have locations, numbers have magnitudes. > > jibni1 be an event? x1 is near or close to x2 in x3 (property) >> > > Of course an event can be near something, that's what "vi" indicates when > the property is spatial position. > > >> pindi be an event of a numeral? x1 is poor in x2 >> ricfu be an event of a numeral? x1 is rich in x2 (property) >> > > Yes, an event can have an abundance or be scarce in a certain property. A > number too. Prime numbers are pindi in divisors, for example. > > >> rotsu1 be an event of a numeral? x1 is thick in length/width etc. x2 >> (property) >> > > Events have spatial dimensions, therefore they can be rotsu. I admit I > can't think at the moment in what property a number could be rotsu, but > it's just because I'm not feeling imaginative. > > >> ruble1 be an event of a numeral? x1 is weak or frail in x2 (property) >> > > I suppose if it's a property they could easily lose. > > >> suksa1 be an object of a numeral? x1 (event) is sudden at stage x2 >> (event) in process x3 (event) >> > > Here I have to point out that my definition of "suksa" is different from > the official one: "x1 is-sudden-in/suddenly-does x2 (ka)". > "lo mlatu cu suksa lo ka canci", "lo se centre be lo pinji cu suksa lo ka > banro" > > sumji1 be an event of a numeral? >> > > Yes, if you add two events, the result is an event. Are you asking how > sumji1 could be a number? > > >> x1 (object) is the sum of x2 (object) plus x3 (object); x1 (numeral) is >> the sum of x2 (numeral) plus x3 (numeral) >> tordu1 be an event of a numeral? x1 is short in length/width etc. x2 >> (property) >> > > An event can certainly be tordu in duration. For numbers see rotsu. > > >> tsali1 be an event of a numeral? x1 is strong in property x2 (property) >> > > See ruble. > > >> xadba1 be an event of a numeral? x1 is half of x2 >> > > What's the problem? > > >> zenba1 be a numeral? x1 (object, event) increases in x2 (property) by >> amount x3 >> > > Yes, if "lo se mitre be da" can change, then it can increase or decrease > in magnitude. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Okay, since there was misunderstanding of what "numer= al" is I'll have to replace it with "number". Now how ca= n a number be {ruble}?


2014-05-29 3:30 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com= >:

=
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I made corrections ex= cept in the following words. Please explain how can:

girzu1=C2=A0be an event? x1 (gr= oup) is a group with common feature x2 (property) due to set x3 linked by r= elations x4 (assertion)

=
A group of events is both girzu and fasnu. As I said before, I don't th= ink "group" should be a type, or at least it doesn't seem to = belong to the same typology.
=C2=A0
jarki1 be an event? x1 is= narrow in length/width etc. x2 (property)

If events can have dimensions (and they can) they c= an be jarki. It's a vi'a or vi'u event which is ve'i in the= second most significant dimension.

jb= ini1 be an event or a numeral x= 1 is between x2 (set) in x3 (property)

(I think you want "= number" rather than "numeral". A numeral is a symbol (me'= ;o) that refers to a number (li). "5" and "V" are two d= ifferent numerals that refer to the same number, the number five.)

What's so weird about an event being among other ev= ents, or a number between other numbers? Events have locations, numbers hav= e magnitudes.

jibni1 be an event? x1 is = near or close to x2 in x3 (property)
Of course an event can be near something, that's what= "vi" indicates when the property is spatial position.
=C2=A0
= pindi be an event of a numeral? x1 is poor in x2
ricfu be an event of a numeral? <= /span>x1 is rich in x2 (property)

Yes, an event can have an abundance or be scarce in a certai= n property. A number too. Prime numbers are pindi in divisors, for example.=
=C2=A0
= rotsu1 be an event of a numeral? x1 is thick in length/width etc. x2 (property)=C2=A0

Events have spatial dime= nsions, therefore they can be rotsu. I admit I can't think at the momen= t in what property a number could be rotsu, but it's just because I'= ;m not feeling imaginative.
=C2=A0
ruble1 be an event of a numeral? = x1 is weak or frail in x2 (property)
<= div>
I suppose if it's a property they could easily= lose.
=C2=A0
= suksa1 be an object of a numeral? x1 (event) is sudden at stage x2 (event) in process x3 (event)

Here I have to point out= that my definition of "suksa" is different from the official one= : "x1 is-sudden-in/suddenly-does x2 (ka)".=C2=A0
"= lo mlatu cu suksa lo ka canci", "lo se centre be lo pinji cu suks= a lo ka banro"

sumji1 be an event of a numeral? =

Yes, if you= add two events, the result is an event. Are you asking how sumji1 could be= a number?
=C2=A0
= x1 (object) is the sum of x2 (object) plus x3 (object); x1 (numeral) is the= sum of x2 (numeral) plus x3 (numeral)
tordu1 be an event of a numeral? = x1 is short in length/width etc. x2 (property)

An event can certainly be tordu in durat= ion. For numbers see rotsu.
=C2=A0
tsali1 be an event of a numeral? = x1 is strong in property x2 (property)

See ruble.
=C2=A0
xadba1 be an event of a numeral? x1 is half of x2=C2=A0

What's the problem?
=C2=A0
zenba1 be a numeral? x1 (o= bject, event) increases in x2 (property) by amount x3

Yes, if "lo se mitre be da" ca= n change, then it can increase or decrease in magnitude.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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