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[64.12.143.82]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ci7si660295qcb.1.2014.06.04.03.51.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Jun 2014 03:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 64.12.143.82 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.12.143.82; Received: from mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.77]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F1FBC70258C5F for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 06:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (p549FAA35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.159.170.53]) by mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 534893800008E for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 06:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 12:50:59 +0200 From: "'Wuzzy' via lojban" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Learning basic Lojban vocabulary: one year after Message-ID: <20140604125059.4d4a06fb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20140527172834.28fc8a7d@aol.com> References: <20140527172834.28fc8a7d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add4d538efa162b5d X-AOL-IP: 84.159.170.53 X-Original-Sender: almikes@aol.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 64.12.143.82 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=almikes@aol.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mx.aol.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=aol.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: Wuzzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Okay, the 7 days have passed, here are the statistics: =3D cmavo**** =3D BAI and BAI*: 371/382 cards (97%) (+1) COI and COI*: 54/54 (100%) (0) KOhA: 45/45 (100%) (0) PA: 87/91 (95%) (-2) UI1 and UI*1: 185/190 (97%) (+4) UI and UI* without UI1 and UI*1: 211/218 (97%) (-2) tense cmavo: 175/178 (98%) (+1) mekso cmavo*****: 57/66 (86%) (-1) other cmavo**: 185/203 (97%) (-13) all cmavo: 1382/1427 (96%) (-12) =3D brivla =3D gismu***: 1223/1341 (91%) (-63) =3D rafsi =3D short rafsi****: 2663/2982 (89%) (-112) The second bracket shows the difference in cards. Anki reports a huge drop in gismu and short rafsi. So it seems I =E2=80=9Cunlearned=E2=80=9D a lot of words. But I don=E2=80= =99t think so. I guess the percentages are not very accurate. I *think* I actually have memorized a lot of new gismu abd short rafsi. I once did 2 times a quick run of 500 random gismu or so and finished in 1 hour or so. And I think I failed about 10 to 20 times or so. But I am not sure, Anki does not provide statistics for =E2=80=9Coutside of regular learning plan=E2=80=9D sessions. :/ A everything done outside that plan is *not* counted to the percentages. Only the =E2=80=9Cregular=E2=80=9D cards are counted. So if yo= u mess up in the =E2=80=9Cregular=E2=80=9D session, your percentage drops, but not in = =E2=80=9Cirregular=E2=80=9D sessions. This does not make much sense to me Whatever, these extreme sessions in the last 7 days were an exception. I think from now on, I will do less Anki in the future, maybe only occassionally and only for rafsi. I want to drop it completely one day. I guess I can learn and remember the last few remaining words by just *using* Lojban much better. Anki was okay to get started, but I think it is not very efficient if you want to learn the last few percent. I also suspect Anki does not even use a efficient flash card learning method. For example, a card is considered =E2=80=9Cdone for t= he day=E2=80=9D if you got it correct only once, even if you got it incorrect = 1000 times before on that day. Stupid, right? Based on my experience, I wouldn=E2=80=99t recommend Anki to new Lojbanists= . FOOTNOTES: ** =3D may overlap with the other categories *** =3D includes learning the place structure **** =3D back and forth ***** =3D VEI, VEhO, VUhU, PEhO, KUhE, FUhA, JOhI, LI, MAhO --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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