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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 19:44:11 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> I want a gimste that would teach 1. te sumti interactions 2. what type can
> go into each place. 3. how plurality is formed inside each place if
> applicable.
>
> If you can see other goals (like e.g. improving semantic categorization)
> you are free to add new columns or ask me if it requires some automation.
>

More than a semantic categorization, I'd like a categorization of place
structures with relatively few categories, each category with many members.
Categories such as "x1 is a ... consisting of x2", "x1 is a ... of x2", "x1
is ... in property x2", "x1 is ... relative to x2 in property x3", "x1
feels ... about x2", and so on.


> Out of {ce'o}, {jo'u}, {joi} casnu1 can accept {jo'u} but not {ce'o},
>

If a queue of people are discussing something, or if they are just taking
turns to speak, could that not be a porsi discussing something?

porsi1 can accept {ce'o} but not {jo'u} (unless that jo'u connect sumti
> then connected with {ce'o} again, right?
>

What about "lo latmo selyle'u jo'u lo xelso selyle'u cu porsi", with no
"ce'o" involved?


If I define
> porsi1 as "x1 (any type; {ce'o} for showing sequence)"
> casnu1 as just "x1 (any type)"
> gunma as "x1 (any type; {joi} for showing mass)"
> would it be okay?
>

Personally, I avoid the word "mass".  I also avoid using "joi", since I
prefer "ko'a jo'u ko'e" for a plural reference and "lo gunma be ko'a jo'u
ko'e" for a reference to the emerging group.

Which places besides porsi1 are you going to be marking with ce'o? liste1?
lerfu2? pruce4?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D""><div><br></div></div><div>I want=
 a gimste that would teach 1. te sumti interactions 2. what type can go int=
o each place. 3. how plurality is formed inside each place if applicable.<b=
r>

</div><div><br></div><div>If you can see other goals (like e.g. improving s=
emantic categorization) you are free to add new columns or ask me if it req=
uires some automation.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div>More than a semantic categorization, I&#39;d like a categorization of =
place structures with relatively few categories, each category with many me=
mbers. Categories such as &quot;x1 is a ... consisting of x2&quot;, &quot;x=
1 is a ... of x2&quot;, &quot;x1 is ... in property x2&quot;, &quot;x1 is .=
.. relative to x2 in property x3&quot;, &quot;x1 feels ... about x2&quot;, =
and so on. =C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Out of {ce&=
#39;o}, {jo&#39;u}, {joi} casnu1 can accept {jo&#39;u} but not {ce&#39;o}, =
</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If a queue of people are=
 discussing something, or if they are just taking turns to speak, could tha=
t not be a porsi discussing something?<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
>porsi1 can accept {ce&#39;o} but not {jo&#39;u} (unless that jo&#39;u conn=
ect sumti then connected with {ce&#39;o} again, right?</div></div></div></d=
iv>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>What about &quot;lo latmo selyle&#39;u jo&=
#39;u lo xelso selyle&#39;u cu porsi&quot;, with no &quot;ce&#39;o&quot; in=
volved?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
>If I define<br>porsi1 as &quot;x1 (any type; {ce&#39;o} for showing sequen=
ce)&quot;<br>casnu1 as just &quot;x1 (any type)&quot;</div><div>gunma as=C2=
=A0&quot;x1 (any type; {joi} for showing mass)&quot;</div>

<div>would it be okay?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><=
div>Personally, I avoid the word &quot;mass&quot;. =C2=A0I also avoid using=
 &quot;joi&quot;, since I prefer &quot;ko&#39;a jo&#39;u ko&#39;e&quot; for=
 a plural reference and &quot;lo gunma be ko&#39;a jo&#39;u ko&#39;e&quot; =
for a reference to the emerging group.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Which places besides porsi1 are you going to be marking=
 with ce&#39;o? liste1? lerfu2? pruce4? =C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>m=
u&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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