Received: from mail-lb0-f185.google.com ([209.85.217.185]:56116) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WsQvG-00035I-Fm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:13:21 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f185.google.com with SMTP id w7sf29169lbi.22 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:13:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QG26I2xsM1MPo3tyY9Rhb6qHvquABGwPHM7ZBqvDR9o=; b=HyghMlOERDUYh7f2Y6fHoTr7n+nHY1zYVa3XPCWBKh6yHkSkCU+5YD0h4eU7sIkUDe oktGISe2s5LFWq7s/Y8YnxH4TurMIhzqxie5MbHWFBMXLgD3LatbIhMp2+LA2vPnlf4z O7jkjvxV9CFBMkliOMGG4JYOUcgmpVC+r6TCAnH6PjnoA/NPUHpvRYEd3dMlezsynCwJ BgCrJ9RvJgcyug9Bm65YE7BFqJkMHrqYsTp5Zk9BUAUYJlYr79nCCZb2YYAq56GPUgat wExaJeUb8ZgBuBorkEtOBpILSF47rSdeV7frYL8YDwVAn9YWplHFOevC95xb+GRjdKsG NFlQ== X-Received: by 10.152.18.170 with SMTP id x10mr37576lad.9.1401948782549; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:13:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.23.132 with SMTP id m4ls12393laf.106.gmail; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.14.5 with SMTP id l5mr6259191lbc.6.1401948781715; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gz10si1143841wib.0.2014.06.04.23.13.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c; Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hi2so9598195wib.11 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.211.146 with SMTP id nc18mr12257042wic.53.1401948781520; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 10:13:01 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3890a1dbbd404fb10a399 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c3890a1dbbd404fb10a399 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-06-05 2:44 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: > >> >> I want a gimste that would teach 1. te sumti interactions 2. what type >> can go into each place. 3. how plurality is formed inside each place if >> applicable. >> >> If you can see other goals (like e.g. improving semantic categorization) >> you are free to add new columns or ask me if it requires some automation= . >> > > More than a semantic categorization, I'd like a categorization of place > structures with relatively few categories, each category with many member= s. > Categories such as "x1 is a ... consisting of x2", "x1 is a ... of x2", "= x1 > is ... in property x2", "x1 is ... relative to x2 in property x3", "x1 > feels ... about x2", and so on. > Since I'm not an expert in Lojban I can only offer something if I already see any examples. No idea which gismu are "consisting of x2" and so on. As for "x1 feels..." I think they should just all be tagged as "Emotions" or "Attitudes" in semantic categorization columns. > > >> Out of {ce'o}, {jo'u}, {joi} casnu1 can accept {jo'u} but not {ce'o}, >> > > If a queue of people are discussing something, or if they are just taking > turns to speak, could that not be a porsi discussing something? > > porsi1 can accept {ce'o} but not {jo'u} (unless that jo'u connect sumti >> then connected with {ce'o} again, right? >> > > What about "lo latmo selyle'u jo'u lo xelso selyle'u cu porsi", with no > "ce'o" involved? > > > If I define >> porsi1 as "x1 (any type; {ce'o} for showing sequence)" >> casnu1 as just "x1 (any type)" >> gunma as "x1 (any type; {joi} for showing mass)" >> would it be okay? >> > > Personally, I avoid the word "mass". I also avoid using "joi", since I > prefer "ko'a jo'u ko'e" for a plural reference and "lo gunma be ko'a jo'u > ko'e" for a reference to the emerging group. > > Which places besides porsi1 are you going to be marking with ce'o? liste1= ? > lerfu2? pruce4? > If you think this is useless I can mark all of them with just (plural) or (plural of any type). > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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2014-06-05 2:44 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <= ;jjllambias@gmail= .com>:
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:18 = AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
=

I want a gimste t= hat would teach 1. te sumti interactions 2. what type can go into each plac= e. 3. how plurality is formed inside each place if applicable.

If you can see other goals (like e.g. improving s= emantic categorization) you are free to add new columns or ask me if it req= uires some automation.

More than a semantic categorization, I'd like a categorizati= on of place structures with relatively few categories, each category with m= any members. Categories such as "x1 is a ... consisting of x2", &= quot;x1 is a ... of x2", "x1 is ... in property x2", "x= 1 is ... relative to x2 in property x3", "x1 feels ... about x2&q= uot;, and so on. =C2=A0=C2=A0

Since I'm not an exp= ert in Lojban I can only offer something if I already see any examples. No = idea which gismu are "consisting of x2" and so on. As for "x= 1 feels..." I think they should just all be tagged as "Emotions&q= uot; or "Attitudes" in semantic categorization columns.


=C2=A0
Out of {ce&= #39;o}, {jo'u}, {joi} casnu1 can accept {jo'u} but not {ce'o}, =

If a queue of peop= le are discussing something, or if they are just taking turns to speak, cou= ld that not be a porsi discussing something?

porsi1 can accept {ce'o} but not {jo'u} (unless that jo'u conn= ect sumti then connected with {ce'o} again, right?

What about "lo latmo selyle'= ;u jo'u lo xelso selyle'u cu porsi", with no "ce'o&qu= ot; involved?
=C2=A0

If I define
porsi1 as "x1 (any type; {ce'o} for showing sequen= ce)"
casnu1 as just "x1 (any type)"
gunma as=C2= =A0"x1 (any type; {joi} for showing mass)"
would it be okay?

<= /div>
Personally, I avoid the word "mass". =C2=A0I also avoid= using "joi", since I prefer "ko'a jo'u ko'e&quo= t; for a plural reference and "lo gunma be ko'a jo'u ko'e&= quot; for a reference to the emerging group.

Which places besides porsi1 are you going to be marking= with ce'o? liste1? lerfu2? pruce4? =C2=A0

If you think this is useless I can mark all of = them with just (plural) or (plural of any type).

=C2=A0
mu'o mi'e xorxes

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