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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:05:01 -0300
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> A similar behaviour is for {cortu}.
>
> By default {mi cortu lo xance} = {mi cortu lo xance be mi}
>
> The second {mi} of course can be changed but only if we are talking about
> Avatar technologies.
> Still by default it is the same as x1 of the outer bridi, i.e. cortu1.
>

I think you will find this behavior in most of the gismu that contain the
word "locus" in their definition.

But I don't like this wording:
"x2 (object; by default the second place of which is the same as x1)"

Objects don't have argument places, and besides, even though most, perhaps
all, body-part gismu have the "body" in x2, there's no rule that a
body-part can only be referred to with a body-part word. You could say "mi
cortu lo te jgari", and that should not mean "lo te jgari be mi" by
default. You could say:

"x2 (object; a locus on x1)" or something like that.


> I'm not sure about sevzi2 but I think it should also be x1 be default so
> that
> {mi catra lo sevzi} = {mi catra lo sevzi be mi}.
>

This is something quite different, but in the definition of "sevzi" you
should be talking about the places of "sevzi", not the places of "catra" or
any selbri in which "lo sevzi" could be used as an argument.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204=
,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>
<br>A similar behaviour is for {cortu}.<br><br>By default {mi cortu lo xanc=
e} =3D {mi cortu lo xance be mi}<br><br>The second {mi} of course can be ch=
anged but only if we are talking about Avatar technologies.<br>Still by def=
ault it is the same as x1 of the outer bridi, i.e. cortu1.<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think you will find this beh=
avior in most of the gismu that contain the word &quot;locus&quot; in their=
 definition.</div><div><br></div><div>But I don&#39;t like this wording:</d=
iv>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans,sans-serif;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">&quot;x2 (object; by default the second place of which is the s=
ame as x1)&quot;</span><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-fa=
mily:arial,sans,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Objects don&#39;t have argument places, and beside=
s, even though most, perhaps all, body-part gismu have the &quot;body&quot;=
 in x2, there&#39;s no rule that a body-part can only be referred to with a=
 body-part word. You could say &quot;mi cortu lo te jgari&quot;, and that s=
hould not mean &quot;lo te jgari be mi&quot; by default. You could say:</sp=
an></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans,sans-serif;color:=
rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:arial,sans,sans-serif;font-size:13px">&quot;x2 (object; a locus on x1)&q=
uot; or something like that.</span><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-famil=
y:arial,sans,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</span></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-col=
or:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div>
I&#39;m not sure about sevzi2 but I think it should also be x1 be default s=
o that=C2=A0<br>{mi catra lo sevzi} =3D {mi catra lo sevzi be mi}.<br></div=
></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is something quite different, =
but in the definition of &quot;sevzi&quot; you should be talking about the =
places of &quot;sevzi&quot;, not the places of &quot;catra&quot; or any sel=
bri in which &quot;lo sevzi&quot; could be used as an argument.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></=
div></div>

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