Received: from mail-wi0-f191.google.com ([209.85.212.191]:64082) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WsngC-0000DI-I1 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:31:16 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f191.google.com with SMTP id r20sf24816wiv.28 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:31:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bOZaHch/J/QZ0AVVFCuEDxhHcRHe9HD4+cgvb2Y665I=; b=eOS7HLwXXVRvE7jA2pMadi1OZIWZsu8gfTe6OchYZI40HqapS/24JCax+NF8nDhAqj JMy3ok2X3pHSrkmYpmlNYn/flVbxTYrTgEsQ2nuDgVkblXTkatNF1FcJZgbzg12/g1E4 Mfs1Ld7eTARkWmwz85bFDM0rRSMp+94CKnHfOqDmbYEm1lPO4MD3lXzqWe/QYodqKzSv Rny6SYGALx9G4Vi2arqW5WcpY828gT1KSPWMu8tQ0CUv9Vh6lFIJ26d/mvKQXQNUAos4 OpgnWrPsnj+Iv0Qu9hD2+rJeidSK6TVvWva96eWkCwEK4mcS4MY/J85P/kmTpm6dDdtx gjHg== X-Received: by 10.152.27.168 with SMTP id u8mr40965lag.0.1402036261257; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:31:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.36.227 with SMTP id t3ls100066laj.11.gmail; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.155.67 with SMTP id vu3mr966030lbb.9.1402036260419; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xk11si1200103wib.0.2014.06.05.23.31.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f; Received: by mail-wi0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id f8so338487wiw.8 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:31:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.149.240 with SMTP id ud16mr4825702wib.3.1402036260274; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:31:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53903D84.90502@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:31:00 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c260e241887e04fb250145 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c260e241887e04fb250145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Note. Someone has damaged "simplified brivla" tab so I restored my revision of it. I can see that Jorge and some anonymous users were editing it after me si all your changes you've made during June 5 - June 6 have been lost. Please, restore them. 2014-06-06 4:05 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: >> >> >> A similar behaviour is for {cortu}. >> >> By default {mi cortu lo xance} =3D {mi cortu lo xance be mi} >> >> The second {mi} of course can be changed but only if we are talking abou= t >> Avatar technologies. >> Still by default it is the same as x1 of the outer bridi, i.e. cortu1. >> > > I think you will find this behavior in most of the gismu that contain the > word "locus" in their definition. > > But I don't like this wording: > "x2 (object; by default the second place of which is the same as x1)" > > Objects don't have argument places, and besides, even though most, perhap= s > all, body-part gismu have the "body" in x2, there's no rule that a > body-part can only be referred to with a body-part word. You could say "m= i > cortu lo te jgari", and that should not mean "lo te jgari be mi" by > default. You could say: > > "x2 (object; a locus on x1)" or something like that. > > > >> I'm not sure about sevzi2 but I think it should also be x1 be default so >> that >> {mi catra lo sevzi} =3D {mi catra lo sevzi be mi}. >> > > This is something quite different, but in the definition of "sevzi" you > should be talking about the places of "sevzi", not the places of "catra" = or > any selbri in which "lo sevzi" could be used as an argument. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Note. Someone has damaged "simplified brivla" ta= b so I restored my revision of it. I can see that Jorge and some anonymous = users were editing it after me si all your changes you've made during J= une 5 - June 6 have been lost. Please, restore them.


2014-06-06 4:= 05 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:<= br>

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On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <g= leki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

A similar behaviour is for {cortu}.

By default {mi cortu lo xanc= e} =3D {mi cortu lo xance be mi}

The second {mi} of course can be ch= anged but only if we are talking about Avatar technologies.
Still by def= ault it is the same as x1 of the outer bridi, i.e. cortu1.

I think you will find th= is behavior in most of the gismu that contain the word "locus" in= their definition.

But I don't like this wordi= ng:
"x2 (object; by default the second place of which is the s= ame as x1)"

Objects don't have argument places, and beside= s, even though most, perhaps all, body-part gismu have the "body"= in x2, there's no rule that a body-part can only be referred to with a= body-part word. You could say "mi cortu lo te jgari", and that s= hould not mean "lo te jgari be mi" by default. You could say:

"x2 (object; a locus on x1)&q= uot; or something like that.

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I'm not sure about sevzi2 but I think it should also be x1 be default s= o that=C2=A0
{mi catra lo sevzi} =3D {mi catra lo sevzi be mi}.

This is something quite diffe= rent, but in the definition of "sevzi" you should be talking abou= t the places of "sevzi", not the places of "catra" or a= ny selbri in which "lo sevzi" could be used as an argument.=C2=A0=

mu'o mi'e xorxes
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