Received: from mail-vc0-f188.google.com ([209.85.220.188]:55181) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WtG5V-0003cE-VW for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 05:51:25 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f188.google.com with SMTP id hy10sf114166vcb.25 for ; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 05:51:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Hve7ZwuD8W0hy/iYiTElshpxG9ksPomP69Ubly0S48E=; b=LfZfvRPGuwZc/Y53kYRt/41Vk7gtFWUvC4MaGXn0e7yWPD4IjdMvbd6/L+ni+k2j1t ZwpZ45aGLoCoc/kWMZOMjIfLdHKpzId6jRtH54FF5D/MBXp9V2XsAyqNLBV4lMyAISxd 9TxHgUg5+uaYUwtE+7t60JaqZJ446PsxrGZJxK7VFJ2MpGSvVsRIK2XzwQo4uEMgToR5 +XA9IxVU7UPv9tyfPzxqKtDfkLrOpVkDeQ5Zq+AMLpSHBtYkpYSyFn2vHLNEfmOCnrDa ODjd/jptMOrI2mBWLtS4Kmbv5WNHeCOpaodz73hU6sQJYwfKEWMJxgqnyFsXsgBbVGcv kLHA== X-Received: by 10.140.93.23 with SMTP id c23mr11155qge.14.1402145463724; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 05:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.28.4 with SMTP id 4ls1002772qgy.39.gmail; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 05:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.117.11 with SMTP id i11mr398445yhh.0.1402145463182; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 05:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22c.google.com (mail-vc0-x22c.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ds6si922673vdb.0.2014.06.07.05.51.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Jun 2014 05:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22c; Received: by mail-vc0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id lf12so4461267vcb.31 for ; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 05:51:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.230.34 with SMTP id sv2mr10685345vdc.57.1402145463012; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 05:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 05:51:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53903D84.90502@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 09:51:02 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0102f9ea3f132604fb3e6ee5 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0102f9ea3f132604fb3e6ee5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > 2014-06-07 0:33 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > >> >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> I propose "x1 is a self of x2 (x1 by default)". >>> >> >> If x2 is x1 by default, then "sevzi" defaults to "du". I think you mean >> the x1 of the main selbri in which "sevzi" is used as a description of a= n >> argument, rather than the x1 of sevzi, which is the only one you can rea= lly >> mention in a definition of "sevzi" >> > > I mean that sevzi2 coudld be {zu'i=3Dx1} by default (just like miter2 =3D= 1 by > default) whereas du2=3Dzo'e by default. > What do you mean by "x1"? In: "la djan cu jinvi lo du'u la alis ba catra lo sevzi", what are you saying sevzi2 would be by default? jinvi1=3Dla djan, catra1=3Dla alis, or sevzi1, which would make "sevzi" the same as "du"? I believe you want sevzi2 to default to la alis in that example, but "x1" is not a good way of explaining it mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e0102f9ea3f132604fb3e6ee5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Gleki Arxokuna &l= t;gleki.is.= my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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2014-06-07 0:33 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADa= s <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 a= t 4:40 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

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I propose "x1 is a self of x2 (x1 by d= efault)".

If x2 is x1 = by default, then "sevzi" defaults to "du". I think you = mean the x1 of the main selbri in which "sevzi" is used as a desc= ription of an argument, rather than the x1 of sevzi, which is the only one = you can really mention in a definition of "sevzi"

I mean that = sevzi2 coudld be {zu'i=3Dx1} by default (just like miter2 =3D 1 by defa= ult) whereas du2=3Dzo'e by default.

What do you mean by "x1"? In: "la djan c= u jinvi lo du'u la alis ba catra lo sevzi", what are you saying se= vzi2 would be by default? jinvi1=3Dla djan, catra1=3Dla alis, or sevzi1, wh= ich would make "sevzi" the same as "du"?

I believe you want sevzi2 to default to la alis in that= example, but "x1" is not a good way of explaining it
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mu'o mi'e xorxes
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