Received: from mail-la0-f64.google.com ([209.85.215.64]:49337) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WtKoC-00065N-1m for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:53:41 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f64.google.com with SMTP id gf5sf516707lab.9 for ; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:53:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GrdjbNeJcP4ZwjDtVpRci+7ORK9V7GuDX8YlGqdbpAY=; b=zLgIX043JE5k2usxqO7legh5qpUM8IQRlPAWRoeXMl6sEldj/P7V7m4+rYyW4EtlgE SxkpJHPbrbhXW3iCSgrcZoum0Yw+T3AAoIJbqPvFNQGLwVXyrRZ2By6ZxUJaBPBhqCMa DTT+BOW3D2VfuunVvxSMljsNlq0NsyY6ZSrvHt1kpAbNWiZ0ItC8p5gCcdOGtNcy6QPk i/Nq9njbg9tRSwV+HqhlKbxLPof9CGmtnaWBgXLR9LOA9UiUfLtxnGOlOl15Gwf/GcIR Ym7o65mQhATBOoUwIu3Esg+sFIgqdumFA2M2JMPYxcyHn+rYo6OYf1HBaDFno3WN3FRY 935Q== X-Received: by 10.180.93.102 with SMTP id ct6mr50040wib.13.1402163607277; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:53:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.207.99 with SMTP id lv3ls238641wic.30.canary; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.87.71 with SMTP id v7mr2347956wiz.2.1402163606594; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m20si908315wij.1.2014.06.07.10.53.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::233; Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id bs8so2477050wib.0 for ; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.240.33 with SMTP id vx1mr4972759wjc.88.1402163606436; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53903D84.90502@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 21:53:26 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1b5f0adc3b204fb42a7fe X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c1b5f0adc3b204fb42a7fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-06-07 20:27 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Other news: for now only ckilu and gradu have concept/scale in their >> definitions. >> >> Any more ideas on what to fill them with? >> > > For me "gradu" is the otherwise missing link in the 10^n series: > > ... > megdo > kilto > xecto > dekto > gradu > decti > centi > milti > mikri > ... > > so its place structure should match the others. > All of them changed to "x1 (text, located) is a million of x2 (same type as x1) in length/width etc. x3 (property)" and {gradu} moved to their semantic class. > > As for ckilu, ckilu2 seems to be one of the few places > Question: Few? Are there others? > for properties that have no corresponding place for the thing with the > property. Maybe "ckilu" is a relation beteen properties? > > lo ka ce'u mitre ma kau cu ckilu lo ka ce'u clani se la'u ma kau > > lo ka ce'u bunda ma kau cu ckilu lo ka ma kau junta ce'u > > lo ka ce'u snidu ma kau cu ckilu lo ka ma kau ditcu ce'u > > lo ka ce'u kelvo ma kau cu ckilu lo ka ce'u glare se la'u ma kau > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Question: Now I wonder what uses can {si'o} have since it has just been completely eliminated from the gimste. Question: can megdo1 be a property? Seems there are only the following types: located, property (that includes located), proposition, relation, sound, number, text, plural of other types, ordered plural of other types, species, second place of x2 in junla. Species and sound are rather roles and here for convenience (and might be removed in future). Question: is "text" abstract or it is an object therefore a subtype of "located"? Question: may be remove junla3 so that {ti junla lo snidu [be zo'e]} =3D "This clock measures seconds", {ti junla lo snidu be li pimu} =3D "This clo= ck measures seconds to the precision of 0.5 seconds"? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c1b5f0adc3b204fb42a7fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



2014-06-07 20:27 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas &l= t;jjllambias@gmai= l.com>:



On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Other news: for now only ckilu and gradu = have concept/scale in their definitions.

Any more ideas on what to fill them with?

For me "gradu" is the othe= rwise missing link in the 10^n series:

...
megdo
kilto
xecto
dekto
gradu
decti
centi
milti
mikri
...

so its place structure should match the others.

All of them changed to = "x1 (text, located) is a million of x2 (same type as x1) in length/wid= th etc. x3 (property)"
and {gradu} moved to their semantic class.
=C2=A0
=

A= s for ckilu, ckilu2 seems to be one of the few places

Question: Few? Are there others?
=C2=A0
for properties that have no corresponding place for the thing with th= e property. Maybe "ckilu" is a relation beteen properties?

lo ka ce'u mitre ma kau cu ckilu lo ka ce'u cla= ni se la'u ma kau

lo ka ce'u bunda ma kau = cu ckilu lo ka ma kau junta ce'u

lo ka ce'= u snidu ma kau cu ckilu lo ka ma kau ditcu ce'u

lo ka ce'u kelvo ma kau cu ckilu lo ka ce'u gla= re se la'u ma kau

mu'o mi&= #39;e xorxes

Question: N= ow I wonder what uses can {si'o} have since it has just been completely= eliminated from the gimste.=C2=A0
Question: can megdo1 be a property?

Seems there are only the fo= llowing types: located, property (that includes located), proposition, rela= tion, sound, number, text, plural of other types, ordered plural of other t= ypes, species, second place of x2 in junla.

Species and sound are rather roles and here for c= onvenience (and might be removed in future).

Question: is "text= " abstract or it is an object therefore a subtype of "located&quo= t;?
Question: may be remove junla3 so that {ti junla lo snidu [be zo= 'e]} =3D "This clock measures seconds",=C2=A0{ti junla lo sni= du be li pimu} =3D "This clock measures seconds to the precision of 0.= 5 seconds"?

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