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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 14:46:11 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete
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On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> .i mi pleji lo nu mi lumci lo kumfa vau fo lo nu do ctigau mi
> .i mi pleji lo ka lumci lo kumfa vau do lo ka do ctigau mi
>
> .i mi pleji lo sicni do lo plise
>
> Which solutions are correct?
>

In my opinion, the first and third are definitely correct, and the second
(I think you meant "lo ka [ce'u] ctigau mi") is probably correct but
requires some justification, which I'm planning to write some more on.

tanru and gismu are both predicates, their meaning is always a relation.
>> valsi are more general in what meanings they can have, the meaning of some
>> valsi (gismu, lujvo, fu'ivla i.e. all brivla) is a relation, but the
>> meaning of most cmavo is not a relation.
>>
>
> Can u give an example of gismu, tanru with  all place filled?
>

I'm not advocating these by any means, I think grammar words are
particularly messy and could do with some unbloating, but this is how I
read the current definitions:

zo nelci cu gismu lo ka ce'u ce'u nelci kei lo nelci ce'o lo se nelci zoi
ke nel ke jo'u zoi ke nei ke jo'u zoi ke nelcy ke jo'u zoi ke nelci ke

lo'u mutce nelci le'u cu tanru zo mutce zo nelci lo ka ce'u xi pa mutce lo
ka ce'u xi pa nelci ce'u xi re kei kei lu mi na mutce nelci lo tersu'i
stura be zo tanru li'u

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D""><div><br></div></div><div>.i mi =
pleji lo nu mi lumci lo kumfa vau fo lo nu do ctigau mi</div>

<div>.i mi pleji lo ka lumci lo kumfa vau do lo ka do ctigau mi</div><div><=
br></div><div>.i mi pleji lo sicni do lo plise</div><div><br></div><div>Whi=
ch solutions are correct?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
</div><div>In my opinion, the first and third are definitely correct, and t=
he second (I think you meant &quot;lo ka [ce&#39;u] ctigau mi&quot;) is pro=
bably correct but requires some justification, which I&#39;m planning to wr=
ite some more on.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D""><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex=
">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
>tanru and gismu are both predicates, their meaning is always a relation. v=
alsi are more general in what meanings they can have, the meaning of some v=
alsi (gismu, lujvo, fu&#39;ivla i.e. all brivla) is a relation, but the mea=
ning of most cmavo is not a relation.</div>

</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Can u give an exam=
ple of gismu, tanru with =C2=A0all place filled?</div></div></div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m not advocating these by any means, I =
think grammar words are particularly messy and could do with some unbloatin=
g, but this is how I read the current definitions:</div>
<div><br></div><div>zo nelci cu gismu lo ka ce&#39;u ce&#39;u nelci kei lo =
nelci ce&#39;o lo se nelci zoi ke nel ke jo&#39;u zoi ke nei ke jo&#39;u zo=
i ke nelcy ke jo&#39;u zoi ke nelci ke</div><div><br></div><div>lo&#39;u mu=
tce nelci le&#39;u cu tanru zo mutce zo nelci lo ka ce&#39;u xi pa mutce lo=
 ka ce&#39;u xi pa nelci ce&#39;u xi re kei kei lu mi na mutce nelci lo ter=
su&#39;i stura be zo tanru li&#39;u</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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