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Subject: Re: [lojban] Possession/transfer/exchange predicates
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:27 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>>> punji2 or punji3 being a property?
>>>
>>
>> With the "property as a portable possession" metaphor, punji2 could be a
>> property of punji3.
>>
>  That's the metaphor we've been talking about for all those gismu where
>> that the gismu list makes the "pedantically"comment.
>>
>> With the "property as a location" metaphor, used for example in denpa3
>>
>
> done. denpa3 =property of x1
>

I notice that you have left only properties in most of the possession
places, but I think that's wrong. The property-as-possession metaphor
should be the secondary meaning, not the main one. The main meaning should
be for the concrete possession. And the same should apply to the
property-as-location metaphor. "dunda lo plise" is the basic sense, "dunda
lo ka ponse lo plise" is a derived abstraction. "denpa fi lo panka" is the
basic sense, "denpa fi lo ka zvati lo panka" is a derived abstraction.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:27 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is=
.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;=
padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">punji2 or punji3 being a property?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>With the &quot;property as a p=
ortable possession&quot; metaphor, punji2 could be a property of punji3.</d=
iv></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
> That&#39;s the metaphor we&#39;ve been talking about for all those gismu =
where that the gismu list makes the &quot;pedantically&quot;comment.</div>
<div><br></div><div>With the &quot;property as a location&quot; metaphor, u=
sed for example in denpa3</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></di=
v></div><div>done. denpa3 =3Dproperty of x1 </div></div></div></div></block=
quote>
<div><br></div><div>I notice that you have left only properties in most of =
the possession places, but I think that&#39;s wrong. The property-as-posses=
sion metaphor should be the secondary meaning, not the main one. The main m=
eaning should be for the concrete possession. And the same should apply to =
the property-as-location metaphor. &quot;dunda lo plise&quot; is the basic =
sense, &quot;dunda lo ka ponse lo plise&quot; is a derived abstraction. &qu=
ot;denpa fi lo panka&quot; is the basic sense, &quot;denpa fi lo ka zvati l=
o panka&quot; is a derived abstraction.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div></div></div></div>

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