Received: from mail-lb0-f192.google.com ([209.85.217.192]:38866) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Ww83l-0004MN-Bt for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:23 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f192.google.com with SMTP id w7sf120759lbi.19 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=O5mPOc6J2MtNAfjzcRv2q0b/fb2IuYDP8LGEgeElY+c=; b=mfiK9mud41s/zVGu9+GZWbLpwk2xWc2/J0O8nq+FrOWtK9tcSwokVAiOsutZhn/JcH ZPjJekXCjdOEncEvs0OSWPrsXw6k2AsiVplAKjkY/KdSXqt+FvNeaUbbIXyKX8MUF1+n G/6L3EWvuRLXRpWU4IMXmDoQLs7mAhpumG+O4YVdlqS2giGMZvGE/lyfKiGrIvX+EfsO 8JQ+ka7tQsmkASyM7psw72mjaoXVZCfDXAbOyoJjwSOt5Lm0mfEm9GzW1lYLD72dRXEk YE3Ruxj2bHM4mPpLeBbgmyhiRQOT+Sl5QJuLr7Cn1S+CdbFcrpU2Ag5mhl6sQV+Mo1v3 moBQ== X-Received: by 10.152.18.170 with SMTP id x10mr1536lad.9.1402829585416; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.30.2 with SMTP id o2ls687684lah.40.gmail; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.6.97 with SMTP id z1mr1031252laz.0.1402829584451; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22a.google.com (mail-wg0-x22a.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h4si336789wib.2.2014.06.15.03.53.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a; Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so4350715wgg.13 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.62.176 with SMTP id z16mr2471652wjr.76.1402829584203; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:53:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53903D84.90502@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:53:03 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba979c20c071704fbddb7c1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7ba979c20c071704fbddb7c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Other news. Semantic categorization. Any given tag can now be found not more than in one column. So if you selected "Links" in "klesi C" you can now be sure that you didn't miss other words with the same tag in other coumns. 2014-06-15 12:33 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > Most important grammar words are now in "klesi B=3DGrammar word". > > I removed most places from them. In order to express "language" places I > added {uenzi}=3D"x1 is a text in language x2" (etymology: Chinese "w=C3= =A9nz=C3=AC") > since {bangu3} has to be specially treated to be converted into "text". > > > 2014-06-08 21:46 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > >> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> .i mi pleji lo nu mi lumci lo kumfa vau fo lo nu do ctigau mi >>> .i mi pleji lo ka lumci lo kumfa vau do lo ka do ctigau mi >>> >>> .i mi pleji lo sicni do lo plise >>> >>> Which solutions are correct? >>> >> >> In my opinion, the first and third are definitely correct, and the secon= d >> (I think you meant "lo ka [ce'u] ctigau mi") is probably correct but >> requires some justification, which I'm planning to write some more on. >> >> tanru and gismu are both predicates, their meaning is always a relation. >>>> valsi are more general in what meanings they can have, the meaning of = some >>>> valsi (gismu, lujvo, fu'ivla i.e. all brivla) is a relation, but the >>>> meaning of most cmavo is not a relation. >>>> >>> >>> Can u give an example of gismu, tanru with all place filled? >>> >> >> I'm not advocating these by any means, I think grammar words are >> particularly messy and could do with some unbloating, but this is how I >> read the current definitions: >> >> zo nelci cu gismu lo ka ce'u ce'u nelci kei lo nelci ce'o lo se nelci zo= i >> ke nel ke jo'u zoi ke nei ke jo'u zoi ke nelcy ke jo'u zoi ke nelci ke >> >> lo'u mutce nelci le'u cu tanru zo mutce zo nelci lo ka ce'u xi pa mutce >> lo ka ce'u xi pa nelci ce'u xi re kei kei lu mi na mutce nelci lo tersu'= i >> stura be zo tanru li'u >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Other news. Semantic categorization. Any given tag can now= be found not more than in one column. So if you selected "Links"= in "klesi C" you can now be sure that you didn't miss other = words with the same tag in other coumns.


2014-06-15 12= :33 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com><= /span>:
Most important grammar word= s are now in "klesi B=3DGrammar word".

I remov= ed most places from them. In order to express "language" places I= added {uenzi}=3D"x1 is a text in language x2" (etymology: Chines= e "w=C3=A9nz=C3=AC") since {bangu3} has to be specially treated t= o be converted into "text".


2014-06= -08 21:46 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:


=
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <= gleki.is.my= .name@gmail.com> wrote:
=

.i mi pleji lo nu= mi lumci lo kumfa vau fo lo nu do ctigau mi
.i mi pleji lo ka lumci lo kumfa vau do lo ka do ctigau mi
<= br>
.i mi pleji lo sicni do lo plise

Whi= ch solutions are correct?

In my opinion, the first and third are definitely correct,= and the second (I think you meant "lo ka [ce'u] ctigau mi") = is probably correct but requires some justification, which I'm planning= to write some more on.

tanru and gismu are both predicates, their meaning is always a relation. v= alsi are more general in what meanings they can have, the meaning of some v= alsi (gismu, lujvo, fu'ivla i.e. all brivla) is a relation, but the mea= ning of most cmavo is not a relation.

Can u give an exam= ple of gismu, tanru with =C2=A0all place filled?

I'm not advocating these by any mea= ns, I think grammar words are particularly messy and could do with some unb= loating, but this is how I read the current definitions:

zo nelci cu gismu lo ka ce'u ce'u nelci kei lo = nelci ce'o lo se nelci zoi ke nel ke jo'u zoi ke nei ke jo'u zo= i ke nelcy ke jo'u zoi ke nelci ke

lo'u mu= tce nelci le'u cu tanru zo mutce zo nelci lo ka ce'u xi pa mutce lo= ka ce'u xi pa nelci ce'u xi re kei kei lu mi na mutce nelci lo ter= su'i stura be zo tanru li'u

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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