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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Creative Care Services <
comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wait a minute.... At the end of the included post Jorge makes a statement
> I find very wrong. He says he doesn't see a problem using kavbu for the
> phrase "caught a cold." I do not believe this is the concept behind kavbu,
> and I find it horribly malglico. You can certainly catch things
> unintentionally, like a bug in your mouth when it flys in. The problem I
> have is that a cold is not something you catch in concept, but rather
> something that invades or attacks you. "Catch a cold" is an idiom.
>

We were discussing the property-as-possession metaphor. If you can
exchange/inherit/lose/reword with/regard as precious/regard as
costly/give/offer/price/earn/win/pay for/profit with/value/sell/buy a
property, which the gismu list explicitly recommends, then why would you
not be able to catch one? It's the same metaphor. But you wouldn't really
catch a cold, you would catch having a cold. ("kavbu lo ka ce'u bilma", not
"kavbu lo te bilma". The latter would be a different type of metaphor.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Creative Care Services <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:comcaresvcs@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">comcaresvcs@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Wait a minute.... At the end =
of the included post Jorge makes a statement I find very wrong. He says he =
doesn&#39;t see a problem using kavbu for the phrase &quot;caught a cold.&q=
uot; I do not believe this is the concept behind kavbu, and I find it horri=
bly malglico. You can certainly catch things unintentionally, like a bug in=
 your mouth when it flys in. The problem I have is that a cold is not somet=
hing you catch in concept, but rather something that invades or attacks you=
. &quot;Catch a cold&quot; is an idiom.</p>
</blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><div>We were discussing the property-as-posse=
ssion metaphor. If you can exchange/inherit/lose/reword with/regard as prec=
ious/regard as costly/give/offer/price/earn/win/pay for/profit with/value/s=
ell/buy a property, which the gismu list explicitly recommends, then why wo=
uld you not be able to catch one? It&#39;s the same metaphor. But you would=
n&#39;t really catch a cold, you would catch having a cold. (&quot;kavbu lo=
 ka ce&#39;u bilma&quot;, not &quot;kavbu lo te bilma&quot;. The latter wou=
ld be a different type of metaphor.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></=
div></div>

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