Received: from mail-wi0-f187.google.com ([209.85.212.187]:64483) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wwokv-0006Hn-IM for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:42 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f187.google.com with SMTP id r20sf476673wiv.24 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=75UinBawSDFwAjmfqrbBNP8Xxikb+07CCXxl+tmBR74=; b=xXthvAV4ISVIooeJB08/2biX4DU2u+HeLUzcWgvfTgPLWWJmLg9Z5yCSahAtY80yiK MsUfIsLUboUrfTfGIx+I8QEzF25BbRhIiTW6op3MZlBxliVMkGZlzRPzbt65dxVY0qcm Z4ncchGKgSdhz2dlPUr4xRyLA3MBgvpGCKWm3ZesmCtF6T8gexvYpd2CytgJ8akxH3xj DuMui/PwsiteNUC7EMbV0LnJLhSCZ3l9vun8tJQg1/A0lwMqeaWSTXH9faD+mMhOHtNO BQuhrrpfcWGR7CCU5ln7wD0JaRGHfNKWj2UGzbPbdBWcJd5Clkt745yLVuTwj9e0D+ij MKhA== X-Received: by 10.180.96.69 with SMTP id dq5mr30563wib.3.1402993709992; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.97.74 with SMTP id dy10ls395903wib.12.canary; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.212.12 with SMTP id ng12mr2017830wic.7.1402993709294; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x235.google.com (mail-we0-x235.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s1si881145wiw.3.2014.06.17.01.28.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::235; Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q59so6661356wes.26 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.243.70 with SMTP id ww6mr12316629wjc.76.1402993709191; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.25.163 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:28:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53903D84.90502@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:28:28 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0141aaa0a899e704fc03ede0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0141aaa0a899e704fc03ede0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-06-17 1:58 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > porsi1 is for the sequence, not for the ordered members of the sequence, > so it isn't plural, just like gunma1 or linji1 are not plural. I understa= nd > "lo ci porsi" to be three sequences, not three things in a sequence, whic= h > would be "lo ci te porsi". If porsi1 is plural then porsi1 and porsi3 wou= ld > refer to the same things. > ok, porsi1 changed to "located". > And if you use "ce'o" to create a sequence (definition (2b)), then it > probably shouldn't be used in places for ordered plurals. > > > plita2 - OK? >>> sarni2 - ? >>> >> three corners imply that all of them are to be specified. >> > > Yes, I understood that, I was just wondering at the weirdness of the plac= e > structures. I guess the idea was that since geometric gismu mostly have > weird place structures, if we are to create a new one it should come with= a > weird place structure as well. Shouldn't kubli3 and kerfa2 > kurfa2. be plural too? and kubli2 a number? The geometric gismu obviously need some > revision. > > Another plural: morna2 > all of them fixed. 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= 2014-06-17 1:58 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com= >:
porsi1 is for the sequence, not for the ordered membe= rs of the sequence, so it isn't plural, just like gunma1 or linji1 are = not plural. I understand "lo ci porsi" to be three sequences, not= three things in a sequence, which would be "lo ci te porsi". If = porsi1 is plural then porsi1 and porsi3 would refer to the same things.

ok, porsi1 changed =C2=A0to "located&= quot;.


And if you use "ce'o" to create a sequenc= e (definition (2b)), then it probably shouldn't be used in places for o= rdered plurals.=C2=A0
=C2=A0

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plita2 - OK?
sarni2 - ?
three corners i= mply that all of them are to be specified.

Yes, I understood that, I was just wondering at t= he weirdness of the place structures. I guess the idea was that since geome= tric gismu mostly have weird place structures, if we are to create a new on= e it should come with a weird place structure as well. Shouldn't kubli3= and kerfa2

kurfa2.

be plural too? and kubli2 a number? The geometric gismu obviously nee= d some revision.

Another plural: morna2

all of them fixed.

I agree that a language = =C3=A0 la John Wilkins (i.e. strictly regularised) would be useful for geom= etry (unlike many other =C2=A0semantic classes).

Currently I have no ideas but may be there exists a classificatio= n of geometrical forms that we can apply to new fu'ivla.

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