Received: from mail-qg0-f55.google.com ([209.85.192.55]:45043) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WxxTT-0005MJ-UF for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:29 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f55.google.com with SMTP id f51sf271004qge.10 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5BjoHY0Ly2BwIfuPj7DYgBUnpJ9R3/T5+D2CRbdKy90=; b=MvU5evkMhHEck6z+E0FHAt5U4rJ827lmi3dEoQ+Q/4ou7ZKL8GAjOdWIEc+0tEO64E jYES3sPEGU/9EEeAZv28Yzgxjf15ALRqiS+OxJEE9eo15Z/KqDT7I8uRpSoZ/Hglpkp9 /xnfulAMH9OMAUJyXcmOpGDB2Aw/MBP0jMrNYgrIC8Ujce7YFw+Bz2j/Kdt01e0hQPg6 JjrFOyVwP/974g61XapRHh6X8qy4g4v3dOPE4L3r/8EIgZro2voQG7LG0hORjhFnpZMO +akjdIkeh3mhVAZ5G5rWFeSbMVDaAPXNaPuIjdBIxCHeVRR8Zh4H9OpqI1ojYa5UNiZf PFmA== X-Received: by 10.140.101.51 with SMTP id t48mr45546qge.4.1403265553514; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.35.199 with SMTP id n65ls921449qgn.59.gmail; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.29.37 with SMTP id h25mr1002141yha.8.1403265553068; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x232.google.com (mail-ve0-x232.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pr8si361539vdb.1.2014.06.20.04.59.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::232; Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id oy12so3455189veb.37 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.132.70 with SMTP id os6mr805311veb.36.1403265552920; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:59:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83b4dd5a-93fd-40ef-b7e5-091b756c3cd4@googlegroups.com> References: <96882b42-e167-4a7b-88d2-038324354074@googlegroups.com> <83b4dd5a-93fd-40ef-b7e5-091b756c3cd4@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 08:59:12 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Does the lojban language include the empty string? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d321aceb81104fc43389e X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b5d321aceb81104fc43389e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Riley Martinez-Lynch wrote: > > What I mean is that because the empty string is grammatical, a text will > be discovered for any input, whether or not the input is grammatical and > can be consumed. This is easy enough to correct for. What's proving to be a > more difficult obstacle in using the parser to detect lojban texts is the > "bare cmevla" rule: "lojban is an improved version of loglan" parses as a > grammatical bare cmevla sequence. But that's a whole 'nother kettle of > fish. > Yes, but it's not just cmevla. What about "mi casa es su casa", or "my dog never liked tiramisu, but I do"? mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b5d321aceb81104fc43389e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Riley Martinez-Lynch &l= t;shunpiker@gmail.= com> wrote:
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= What I mean is that because the empty string is grammatical, a text will be= discovered for any input, whether or not the input is grammatical and can = be consumed. This is easy enough to correct for. What's proving to be a= more difficult obstacle in using the parser to detect lojban texts is the = "bare cmevla" rule: "lojban is an improved version of loglan= " parses as a grammatical bare cmevla sequence. But that's a whole= 'nother kettle of fish.=C2=A0

Yes, but it's not just cme= vla. What about "mi casa es su casa", or "my dog never liked= tiramisu, but I do"?

mu'o mi'e xorxe= s

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