Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 06:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
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coi jbopre

jbovlaste has been updated to apply camxes morphology when new words are 
entered. The new morphological classifier, "vlatai.py" is part of the 
camxes-py Python parser, and replaces "vlatai", which is bundled with the 
jbofihe parser.

vlatai.py adds two types: "bu-letterals" (previously classified as "cmavo" 
or "cmavo cluster") and "zei-lujvo" (previously classified as "lujvo"). 
These new types are subject to camxes parser rules: Invalid constructs such 
as {bu bu} and {zei zei lujvo} are rejected.

Other "magic words" such as {zo} and {zoi} are not currently supported in 
combination with {bu} and {zei}. This is an oversight rather than a design 
choice, so please feel free to file a bug report if you find this is needed.

The 21,940 valsi currently registered in jbovlaste were verified with the 
new classifier: 21,829 reported no change, 10 were reclassified as 
bu-letterals, 26 were reclassified as zei-lujvo, 1 was reclassified from 
fu'ivla to lujvo, and 74 valsi were marked as "obsolete": cmevla (22), 
fu'ivla (51) and zei-lujvo (1). 

Details of the reclassified words can be found here:

https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/47

https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/39

https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/40

https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/43

https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/44

The new "obsolete" valsi types are currently treated like the 
"experimental" types  in XML and PDF exports: They are marked with a 
warning.

la gleki raised the issue that some words (e.g. {relmast}) which don't 
conform to this version of camxes, ought to in fact be valid. xorxes noted 
that only older versions of the camxes/BPFK morphology prohibit such words.

I checked {relmast} against the Java/Rats! version of camxes which is 
linked on the "Issues With The Lojban Formal Grammar" page: It was not 
accepted. It was also not accepted by camxes.js or either the standard or 
experimental ilmentufa grammars. I also checked python-camxes, but it uses 
the same version of the Java jar that was described above.

I built a new camxes Java/Rats! jar using the latest morphology on the 
tiki, and I can confirm that according to this version of the grammar, 
{relmast} is valid. However, it's not clear whether such a jar is currently 
distributed anywhere.

Based on all of this, my inclination is to update camxes-py as soon as 
possible to use the newest BPFK morphology (where "newest" may mean n years 
old). However, if I do this, it will no longer be in sync with most other 
implementations of camxes currently distributed. Thoughts, anyone?

Thanks to rlpowell and tene for their assistance in getting the new 
software installed.

mi'e la mukti mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr">


<p class=3D"p1">coi jbopre</p>
<p class=3D"p1">jbovlaste has been updated to apply camxes morphology when =
new words are entered. The new morphological classifier, "vlatai.py" is par=
t of the camxes-py Python parser, and replaces "vlatai", which is bundled w=
ith the jbofihe parser.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">vlatai.py adds two types: "bu-letterals" (previously classi=
fied as "cmavo" or "cmavo cluster") and "zei-lujvo" (previously classified =
as "lujvo"). These new types are subject to camxes parser rules: Invalid co=
nstructs such as {bu bu} and {zei zei lujvo} are rejected.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">Other "magic words" such as {zo} and {zoi} are not currentl=
y supported in combination with {bu} and {zei}. This is an oversight rather=
 than a design choice, so please feel free to file a bug report if you find=
 this is needed.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">The 21,940 valsi currently registered in jbovlaste were ver=
ified with the new classifier: 21,829 reported no change, 10 were reclassif=
ied as bu-letterals, 26 were reclassified as zei-lujvo, 1 was reclassified =
from fu'ivla to lujvo, and 74 valsi were marked as "obsolete": cmevla (22),=
 fu'ivla (51) and zei-lujvo (1).&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"p1">Details of the reclassified words can be found here:</p><bl=
ockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p class=
=3D"p3"></p></blockquote><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: n=
one; padding: 0px;"><p class=3D"p3"><span class=3D"s1"><span class=3D"s2"><=
a href=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/47">https://github.com=
/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/47</a></span></span></p><p class=3D"p3"><a href=3D=
"https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/39">https://github.com/lojban/j=
bovlaste/issues/39</a></p><p class=3D"p3"><a href=3D"https://github.com/loj=
ban/jbovlaste/issues/40">https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/40</a><=
/p><p class=3D"p3"><a href=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/43=
">https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/43</a></p><p class=3D"p3"><a h=
ref=3D"https://github.com/lojban/jbovlaste/issues/44">https://github.com/lo=
jban/jbovlaste/issues/44</a></p></blockquote>
<p class=3D"p1">The new "obsolete" valsi types are currently treated like t=
he "experimental" types&nbsp; in XML and PDF exports: They are marked with =
a warning.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">la gleki raised the issue that some words (e.g. {relmast}) =
which don't conform to this version of camxes, ought to in fact be valid. x=
orxes noted that only older versions of the camxes/BPFK morphology prohibit=
 such words.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">I checked {relmast} against the Java/Rats! version of camxe=
s which is linked on the "Issues With The Lojban Formal Grammar" page: It w=
as not accepted. It was also not accepted by camxes.js or either the standa=
rd or experimental ilmentufa grammars. I also checked python-camxes, but it=
 uses the same version of the Java jar that was described above.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">I built a new camxes Java/Rats! jar using the latest morpho=
logy on the tiki, and I can confirm that according to this version of the g=
rammar, {relmast} is valid. However, it's not clear whether such a jar is c=
urrently distributed anywhere.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">Based on all of this, my inclination is to update camxes-py=
 as soon as possible to use the newest BPFK morphology (where "newest" may =
mean n years old). However, if I do this, it will no longer be in sync with=
 most other implementations of camxes currently distributed. Thoughts, anyo=
ne?</p>
<p class=3D"p1">Thanks to rlpowell and tene for their assistance in getting=
 the new software installed.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">mi'e la mukti mu'o</p></div>

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