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Subject: Re: [lojban] cidja
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  Yes, it's always been a selpinxe for me, too.  And sure you can have a
beverage that no one drinks.  That's a selpinxe zi'o (or selpinxe no da,
depnding on the nuance you are going for).

     --gejyspa


On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com=
>
wrote:

>
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> coi ro do
>>
>> Some times ago the question of whether {cidja} implies solid food only o=
r
>> includes beverages as well has been raised on IRC.
>>
>> Let's look at {cidja}'s definition:
>>
>> * "x1 is food/feed/nutriment for x2; x1 is edible/gives nutrition to x2"
>>
>> According to this definition, it seems perfectly sensible to create a
>> lujvo {likydja} (litki cidja) for drink/beverage, as those are also a
>> source of nutrition (which seems to be the underlying concept of {cidja}=
).
>>
>
>
> Things like soups or baby formula are clearly likydja, but I'm not sure
> how nutritious things like vodka or sodas are.
>
>
>
>> {ligdja} (sligu cidja) could be used for solid food specifically.
>>
>> gismu are intended to have broad meanings, and we don't have any brivla
>> for "beverage".
>>
>> What's your opinion on that matter? Would you agree that a beverage is a
>> {cidja}?
>>
>
> "selpinxe" is the word I've always seen used for "beverage". That of
> course raises the question of whether something that nobody ever drinks c=
an
> still qualify as a selpinxe, and whether something someone drinks but is
> not potable qualifies as a selpinxe. One way out of that is to say that
> "selpinxe" is not necessarily identical with "se pinxe".
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Yes, it&#39;s always been a selpinxe for me, too. =
=C2=A0And sure you can have a beverage that no one drinks. =C2=A0That&#39;s=
 a selpinxe zi&#39;o (or selpinxe no da, depnding on the nuance you are goi=
ng for).<div><br>
</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa</div><div><br></div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 18, 2014 =
at 11:43 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jj=
llambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:1=
4 PM, Ilmen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">coi ro do<br>
<br>
Some times ago the question of whether {cidja} implies solid food only or i=
ncludes beverages as well has been raised on IRC.<br>
<br>
Let&#39;s look at {cidja}&#39;s definition:<br>
<br>
* &quot;x1 is food/feed/nutriment for x2; x1 is edible/gives nutrition to x=
2&quot;<br>
<br>
According to this definition, it seems perfectly sensible to create a lujvo=
 {likydja} (litki cidja) for drink/beverage, as those are also a source of =
nutrition (which seems to be the underlying concept of {cidja}).<br></block=
quote>

<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>Things like soups or baby formula =
are clearly likydja, but I&#39;m not sure how nutritious things like vodka =
or sodas are.</div><div class=3D""><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">


{ligdja} (sligu cidja) could be used for solid food specifically.<br>
<br>
gismu are intended to have broad meanings, and we don&#39;t have any brivla=
 for &quot;beverage&quot;.<br>
<br>
What&#39;s your opinion on that matter? Would you agree that a beverage is =
a {cidja}?<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>&quot;selpinxe&quot; i=
s the word I&#39;ve always seen used for &quot;beverage&quot;. That of cour=
se raises the question of whether something that nobody ever drinks can sti=
ll qualify as a selpinxe, and whether something someone drinks but is not p=
otable qualifies as a selpinxe. One way out of that is to say that &quot;se=
lpinxe&quot; is not necessarily identical with &quot;se pinxe&quot;.</div>

<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes=C2=A0</div><div><br></div></di=
v></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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