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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:00:02 -0300
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
wrote:

>   Why, are you insinuating that ti karce no da makes what I'm pointing
> not, in fact a car?
>

If the statement is true, then it may still be a car, but it won't karce.
You are saying that it doesn't karce anything.

  Or a vacant office can't be a "briju no da"?
>

Of course it can, "briju no da" just means that it doesn't briju anything.
Both a vacant office and an elephant briju no da.


>  The fact that nothing can fill the x2 place doesn't necessarily take
> something out of the realm of it being whatever the x1 specifies, vau ru'a
>

A brivla specifies a relationship between its arguments, it doesn't specify
each of its arguments. So if nothing can fill one of the arguments, then
that brivla won't be satisfied by any argument n-tuple, In those cases you
need a brivla with fewer arguments, which is what "zi'o" gets you. This is
one of the reasons why bloated gismu are such a nuisance.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansk=
y@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Why, are you insinua=
ting that ti karce no da makes what I&#39;m pointing not, in fact a car?</d=
iv></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>If the statement is true, then it may still be a car, b=
ut it won&#39;t karce. You are saying that it doesn&#39;t karce anything.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=C2=A0 Or a vacant office can&#39;t be a &quot;briju =
no da&quot;? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of course it can,=
 &quot;briju no da&quot; just means that it doesn&#39;t briju anything. Bot=
h a vacant office and an elephant briju no da.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=C2=
=A0The fact that nothing can fill the x2 place doesn&#39;t necessarily take=
 something out of the realm of it being whatever the x1 specifies, vau ru&#=
39;a</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A brivla specifies a relationship be=
tween its arguments, it doesn&#39;t specify each of its arguments. So if no=
thing can fill one of the arguments, then that brivla won&#39;t be satisfie=
d by any argument n-tuple, In those cases you need a brivla with fewer argu=
ments, which is what &quot;zi&#39;o&quot; gets you. This is one of the reas=
ons why bloated gismu are such a nuisance.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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