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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:17:17 -0400
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Not to be unreasonably pessimistic, but I will believe that the design goal
of computer legibility to be satisfied when I see a program that
demonstrates it. Both Cscript and Dscript are cool, and I'll definitely
play around with them on my next con-script kick, but I worry that you're
underestimating the difficulties of OCR on real text written at a
reasonable speed.


On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:25 AM, vasten <vastencn@gmail.com> wrote:

> A logban user contacted me and says he is using this for lojban, figured
> you guys might like too :)
> [  http://www.facebook.com/Dscripting  - see comments in the top post on
> this page for details ]
>
> He says tendinitis in the right hand forces him to use his left hand and
> he find Cscript easier.
> Seems he has mapped it to lojabn quite easily.
>
> CSCRIPT - Computer / Human Bi-Friendly Writing System
>
> http://dscript.ca/cscript.pdf
>
> Cscript is designed to be both easy to read and write by humans as well as
> be digitally and programmatically read and written by computers.
>
> There is of course a trade off between the two. Cscript could be thought
> of as "lying somewhere between QR codes and standard hand writing"
>
> For Humans it easy to produce with standard lined paper and allows some
> intuitive "cursive" elements.
>
> For Computers it removes entirely the need for glyph recognition and
> shape/vector analysis. It could read straight off the raster level as a
> string of absolute values. It eliminates the need for an entire level of
> OCR shape comparison, and drastically reduces ambiguity, requires FAR less
> processing power and increased accuracy.
>
> It is not meant to be "perfect" for either, but instead offer a more
> balanced alternative.
>
> **technically it would not be considered "OCR" as it does not actually
> require the "character recognition" level of the software at all.
>
> ***keep in mind the "value range zones" can even be flexible based on
> context (ie. assume top=1, bottom=0.. [0->0.33]=0, [0.34->0.66]=1,
> [0.67->1]=2... the values [0 , 0.1, 0.1] = "0-1-1" because there would be
> no corner point in 000
>
> Another new project of mine that might be fun too....
>
> CHEMICAL CALLIGRAPHY
>
> http://dscript.org/chem.pdf
>
> This is a mnemonic device and art form.
>
> It is designed to allow simpler representation of bio-chem molecules with
> "less noise".
>
> It drops some information, which is assumed is "obvious" to someone with
> basic chemistry knowledge. The missing information can usually be "filled
> in" with basic chemistry understanding.
>
> It allows various forms of any one molecule (the larger the molecule the
> more possible forms), which adds greatly to the users ability to make
> artistic and aesthetic choices without altering the molecular and
> structural information.
>
>
>
> Still have not rebuilt my lab, current apt too small :( So still just
> hacking with "pen and paper" ;)
>
> Hopefully soon will be able to get back to my mad science  :)
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Not to be unreasonably pessimistic, but I will believe tha=
t the design goal of computer legibility to be satisfied when I see a progr=
am that demonstrates it. Both Cscript and Dscript are cool, and I&#39;ll de=
finitely play around with them on my next con-script kick, but I worry that=
 you&#39;re underestimating the difficulties of OCR on real text written at=
 a reasonable speed.<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun,=
 Jul 20, 2014 at 8:25 AM, vasten <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:va=
stencn@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">vastencn@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">A logban user contacted me and says he is using this for l=
ojban, figured you guys might like too :)<br>[=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.=
facebook.com/Dscripting" target=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Dscripti=
ng</a>=C2=A0 - see comments in the top post on this page for details ]<br>

<br>He says tendinitis in the right hand forces him to use his left hand an=
d he find Cscript easier. <br>Seems he has mapped it to lojabn quite easily=
.<br><br>CSCRIPT - Computer / Human Bi-Friendly Writing System<br><br>
<a href=3D"http://dscript.ca/cscript.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://dscript.=
ca/cscript.pdf</a><br>
<br>Cscript is designed to be both easy to read and write by humans as well=
 as be digitally and programmatically read and written by computers.<br><br=
>There is of course a trade off between the two. Cscript could be thought o=
f as &quot;lying somewhere between QR codes and standard hand writing&quot;=
<br>

<br>For Humans it easy to produce with standard lined paper and allows some=
 intuitive &quot;cursive&quot; elements.<br><br>For Computers it removes en=
tirely the need for glyph recognition and shape/vector analysis. It could r=
ead straight off the raster level as a string of absolute values. It elimin=
ates the need for an entire level of OCR shape comparison, and drastically =
reduces ambiguity, requires FAR less processing power and increased accurac=
y.<br>

<br>It is not meant to be &quot;perfect&quot; for either, but instead offer=
 a more balanced alternative.<br><br>**technically it would not be consider=
ed &quot;OCR&quot; as it does not actually require the &quot;character reco=
gnition&quot; level of the software at all.<br>

<br>***keep in mind the &quot;value range zones&quot; can even be flexible =
based on context (ie. assume top=3D1, bottom=3D0.. [0-&gt;0.33]=3D0, [0.34-=
&gt;0.66]=3D1, [0.67-&gt;1]=3D2... the values [0 , 0.1, 0.1] =3D &quot;0-1-=
1&quot; because there would be no corner point in 000<br>

<br>Another new project of mine that might be fun too....<br><br>CHEMICAL C=
ALLIGRAPHY<br><br><a href=3D"http://dscript.org/chem.pdf" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://dscript.org/chem.pdf</a><br><br>This is a mnemonic device and art f=
orm.<br>

<br>It is designed to allow simpler representation of bio-chem molecules wi=
th &quot;less noise&quot;.<br><br>It drops some information, which is assum=
ed is &quot;obvious&quot; to someone with basic chemistry knowledge. The mi=
ssing information can usually be &quot;filled in&quot; with basic chemistry=
 understanding.<br>

<br>It allows various forms of any one molecule (the larger the molecule th=
e more possible forms), which adds greatly to the users ability to make art=
istic and aesthetic choices without altering the molecular and structural i=
nformation.<br>

<br><br><br>Still have not rebuilt my lab, current apt too small :( So stil=
l just hacking with &quot;pen and paper&quot; ;)<br><br>Hopefully soon will=
 be able to get back to my mad science=C2=A0 :)<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font=
 color=3D"#888888"><br>

</font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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