Received: from mail-vc0-f187.google.com ([209.85.220.187]:44129) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1X95yE-0007in-Vm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:17:08 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f187.google.com with SMTP id ij19sf1923068vcb.4 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=+LUC1UY8PMjQJTXQPNkrgWQQGhvLwJErLG8AVw3vR9c=; b=T7/yTszQ4zu7ZF6IreILu9Kb5gE0d5SwCI0SgmjgvgneVN5IjPBS6ZtEErugg2omu7 H85V5gPaaF9wrc9/heE8Oii7Qf6QrTdHI1g0DtKB2aKlwe2B0z660simPykEgGS9ZpDZ /Z869eyp880KJpAztUxvBIqPPfzr11CG9m0uIS+aNnP2CY0IN6tgj9PbRTeap1EU53ON 9JAzfyBC1dAUa6UOdoqoSVnC+10tp08DRahbzpSDTH4DNtZVuTSi+aznwcyTVYDoCXYn ceiQh4mobTDY2HPr4bv1KiPNwepfCgX0uqlj+/MbLCcaE+zN1dwgVq8RFmMqVc2yBOtX Ysjg== X-Received: by 10.50.79.230 with SMTP id m6mr15208igx.6.1405919820294; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:17:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.112.227 with SMTP id it3ls1425477igb.38.gmail; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.82.79 with SMTP id c15mr7498311icl.7.1405919819929; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hz3si1795672pbb.2.2014.07.20.22.16.59 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1X95y6-0007ig-Nm for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:16:58 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:16:58 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Computer Friendly Handwriting Message-ID: <20140721051658.GL13780@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <3c98f147-b4cb-4561-a838-f80c02745b12@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Rather the opposite; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS) worked perfectly on CPUs that now probably are used to drive *watches*; a modern smartphone is many many times more powerful. My question is why the hell you would invent something as painfully terrible on the human as Cscript when Graffiti is know to be entirely workable in real time on what is in the modern day a trivial processor. On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 03:17:17PM -0400, .arpis. wrote: > Not to be unreasonably pessimistic, but I will believe that the design goal > of computer legibility to be satisfied when I see a program that > demonstrates it. Both Cscript and Dscript are cool, and I'll definitely > play around with them on my next con-script kick, but I worry that you're > underestimating the difficulties of OCR on real text written at a > reasonable speed. > > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:25 AM, vasten wrote: > > > A logban user contacted me and says he is using this for lojban, figured > > you guys might like too :) > > [ http://www.facebook.com/Dscripting - see comments in the top post on > > this page for details ] > > > > He says tendinitis in the right hand forces him to use his left hand and > > he find Cscript easier. > > Seems he has mapped it to lojabn quite easily. > > > > CSCRIPT - Computer / Human Bi-Friendly Writing System > > > > http://dscript.ca/cscript.pdf > > > > Cscript is designed to be both easy to read and write by humans as well as > > be digitally and programmatically read and written by computers. > > > > There is of course a trade off between the two. Cscript could be thought > > of as "lying somewhere between QR codes and standard hand writing" > > > > For Humans it easy to produce with standard lined paper and allows some > > intuitive "cursive" elements. > > > > For Computers it removes entirely the need for glyph recognition and > > shape/vector analysis. It could read straight off the raster level as a > > string of absolute values. It eliminates the need for an entire level of > > OCR shape comparison, and drastically reduces ambiguity, requires FAR less > > processing power and increased accuracy. > > > > It is not meant to be "perfect" for either, but instead offer a more > > balanced alternative. > > > > **technically it would not be considered "OCR" as it does not actually > > require the "character recognition" level of the software at all. > > > > ***keep in mind the "value range zones" can even be flexible based on > > context (ie. assume top=1, bottom=0.. [0->0.33]=0, [0.34->0.66]=1, > > [0.67->1]=2... the values [0 , 0.1, 0.1] = "0-1-1" because there would be > > no corner point in 000 > > > > Another new project of mine that might be fun too.... > > > > CHEMICAL CALLIGRAPHY > > > > http://dscript.org/chem.pdf > > > > This is a mnemonic device and art form. > > > > It is designed to allow simpler representation of bio-chem molecules with > > "less noise". > > > > It drops some information, which is assumed is "obvious" to someone with > > basic chemistry knowledge. The missing information can usually be "filled > > in" with basic chemistry understanding. > > > > It allows various forms of any one molecule (the larger the molecule the > > more possible forms), which adds greatly to the users ability to make > > artistic and aesthetic choices without altering the molecular and > > structural information. > > > > > > > > Still have not rebuilt my lab, current apt too small :( So still just > > hacking with "pen and paper" ;) > > > > Hopefully soon will be able to get back to my mad science :) > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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