Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:36:57 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL Corrections
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On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:39:51 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrote:
>
>
> You can discuss it here, sure. You can also check if it's something that 
> has already been detected in:
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/CLL,+aka+Reference+Grammar,+Errata
>

Thanks!

In section 1, Example 1.8, the description says "ke'a can be omitted if it 
is clear to the listener that it belongs to in some place other than x1." 
Then the example is "tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu cu ratcu". I see two problems 
with this. 1) It is very un-lojban like to suggest the listener can just 
reinterpret the sentence based on subjective "clarity". While I understand 
that there is always some undertone of subjective/contextual interpretation 
going on, this case is rather clearly not one of them. Which leads me to 
the second problem 2) the example literally says "that-distant-thing which 
dragged the cat, is-a-rat". Not that the cat dragged the rat, which it says 
it is equivalent to in example 1.5. Also, it's easy enough to fix by adding 
a `se` before `lacpu`. There isn't any need for ambiguity, and I don't 
think such even needs to be suggested.

HTH .trans.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:39:51 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrot=
e:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;b=
order-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Yo=
u can discuss it here, sure. You can also check if it's something that has =
already been detected in:</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/C=
LL,+aka+Reference+Grammar,+Errata" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"this.hr=
ef=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lojban.org%2Ftiki%2FCL=
L%2C%2Baka%2BReference%2BGrammar%2C%2BErrata\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75A=
FQjCNH5_CgZJJEjTvHrsDdtGFjVnuwR8A';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'ht=
tp://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lojban.org%2Ftiki%2FCLL%2C%2Ba=
ka%2BReference%2BGrammar%2C%2BErrata\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNH5_=
CgZJJEjTvHrsDdtGFjVnuwR8A';return true;">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/<wbr>CL=
L,+aka+Reference+Grammar,+<wbr>Errata</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>In section 1, Example 1.8, the =
description says "ke'a can be omitted if it is clear to the listener that i=
t belongs to in some place other than x1." Then the example is "tu poi le m=
latu pu lacpu cu ratcu". I see two problems with this. 1) It is very un-loj=
ban like to suggest the listener can just reinterpret the sentence based on=
 subjective "clarity". While I understand that there is always some underto=
ne of subjective/contextual interpretation going on, this case is rather cl=
early not one of them. Which leads me to the second problem 2) the example =
literally says "that-distant-thing which dragged the cat, is-a-rat". Not th=
at the cat dragged the rat, which it says it is equivalent to in example 1.=
5. Also, it's easy enough to fix by adding a `se` before `lacpu`. There isn=
't any need for ambiguity, and I don't think such even needs to be suggeste=
d.</div><div><br></div><div>HTH .trans.</div><div><br></div></div>

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