Received: from mail-pd0-f189.google.com ([209.85.192.189]:38135) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XFMzt-0007sz-DY for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:40:46 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f189.google.com with SMTP id fp1sf856755pdb.16 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/B/lsC2kblmluwcUxwnp0pzHR/Ur5to2qzi2IoCPXwU=; b=HnPUCuQroIfh/ukqSqv7NtSxsZxb5o367ShrzragrFWmLHC10sotBbXPkCjYUH3WTK ENFMvBNssFE68ACInxEV0QBd+fjHZNJr41jmAcd7NECB43dRd14DM1VudvjSOAan8de9 ffycYoxTVNer/d/tFcLPnbZusAsz7VEZh0unJZceBsM/LxxPkupFkOG0uSjaq5MZuQYN FY/7JifikLay4EnY1Tx86ecSKkwRQn1dY0K17Lg6/ipv2UXkI72IElOTneoRwFcgFZxX v1OYNOJddIWm9uETiUV+f9CdL19twFJu8Wcgk2dER+VWDwMwcKeBd3JTof9BDi1fjJCu Ypyw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/B/lsC2kblmluwcUxwnp0pzHR/Ur5to2qzi2IoCPXwU=; b=mtCrhWb+1w6WB1ZdX8ogsMMwe/OL9tC1eJjydABQ770zw1P4KiwD8LJuM9hc8iSbI/ j7sSIQv0b8dsVotLMEihOYsYjLnz5R2Qog2VHOm7XlaJdlqG9FmAXGRl4ayXv6zgXqrV 335sUuJOk8fxgbiiCDHlZRqYqBJeEHfT8DGHusk9YNof0t7dV75L9TMTbf8K8bquwoVh grW9HYxa6LiEr4o25Q4QlX1ROVgAEYV9PS3jDARuHHGi8gO+Wwza9SeGjqOwOoNIZCnN A3BXHogSvYsaOfvsfM99fiFc3lVhpqFA5NGxaSeA4wiy77Nrh5FgOhyBAzsgNjHnA3EB dpMw== X-Received: by 10.183.1.34 with SMTP id bd2mr163770obd.6.1407415239100; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.118.137 with SMTP id km9ls99067obb.23.gmail; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.130.131 with SMTP id oe3mr12758obb.26.1407415238639; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 05:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <036a8ae9-4a0b-455c-b014-0b1a97e37d62@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1a05ebdb-5a99-4382-b6a3-4205d1d16ae6@googlegroups.com> <857775fe-c38f-4e84-b3b9-17034a98a989@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL Corrections MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_118_501268165.1407415237916" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_118_501268165.1407415237916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:39:02 AM UTC-4, TR NS wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:35:59 PM UTC-4, gejyspa wrote: >> >> No "tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu cu ratcu" does not mean "that-distant-thing >> which dragged the cat, is-a-rat" The first place of lacpu (the puller) is >> filled by the "lo mlatu" (think of the sentence "le mlatu pu lacpu" -- >> "the cat pulled (something)". ) We are saying "that over yonder, which >> the cat pulled, is a rat." How do we know this? Because we assume that >> the ke'a goes right after the lacpu, and is the thing pulled, since the >> first place is filled. (conceivably, it might be the te lacpu, the thing >> which the cat is pulling something by, but that's unlikely to be a rat). >> > According the preceding explanation of poi the first sumti of the subordinate clause if filled by the reference if ke'a is not given. That would be tu. (fixed typo) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_118_501268165.1407415237916 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:39:02 AM UTC-4, TR N= S wrote:

<= br>On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:35:59 PM UTC-4, gejyspa wrote:
  No "tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu cu ratcu" does not mea= n "that-distant-thing which dragged the cat, is-a-rat" The first plac= e of lacpu (the puller) is filled by the "lo mlatu"  (think of the sen= tence "le mlatu pu lacpu" -- "the cat pulled (something)".  )  We= are saying "that over yonder, which the cat pulled, is a rat."  How d= o we know this?  Because we assume that the ke'a goes right after the = lacpu, and is the thing pulled, since the first place is filled. (conceivab= ly, it might be the te lacpu, the thing which the cat is pulling something = by, but that's unlikely to be a rat).
 
According the preceding explanation of poi the= first sumti of the subordinate clause if filled by the reference if ke'a i= s not given. That would be tu.

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